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    My mum had one of her bitches desexed at 6 years of age, it was lucky she did because she had a nasty case of pyometra but showed no outward signs of the problem, it was just sheer luck she was getting desexed before the infection got too bad.

    Ex show dog bitches are always desexed but she leaves the males entire.

    I myself have 2 desexed dogs (1M, 1F) and 1 entire male.

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    As we are on desexing. Damn right it is done for it being easier for me. I don't wish to go through the pain in the arse seasons, separations etc etc. It is my choice. to do so and is just as valid as those who choose not to and do manage well.
    Been there, done that when I took on a pregnant bitch, first and last time for me.

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    Personally I don't want to deal with the mess of seasons or having to give up spots in competition I paid for if it happens to co-incide with a season. And there are some heatlh benefits - either way.

    Ears, occasionally I think it would be nice to botox Frosty's ears up straight - since I didn't know about strapping when she was a puppy. But they're up enough she doesn't get ventilation problems and down enough she doesn't catch dirt and bugs.

    Tail - she uses that for balance and cornering and quite a bit of self expression - ie it makes it easier to tell what mood she's in - for me and other dogs.

    But I do see things that make me think we've gone to far - like an ad on gumtree saying the ACD had been docked by the breeder when probably it was born that way. Ie the seller had no clue that there is a line of ACD that has no tails naturally. And Aussie shepherds can go either way.

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    I live in Queensland and have no idea about ferrets sorry, so that analogy is lost on me. I don't understand why you're still carrying on about the desexing, what point are you trying to prove? I am a lazy bad owner because I chose to have my dogs fixed.... Good for me!
    I'm saying it's as much a personal choice as is cropping/docking. Read what I wrote I never called anyone lazy, I just said you cannot say that desexing is not something only done for the long term health of the dog, for lack of a better phrase. My point was a person should not be shot down for cropping/docking, nor choosing between entire and desexed.

    FYI female ferrets not mated in their first season will die. They stay in season and wither away, my analogy was the fact that for an animal such as a ferret there is a dire need for desexing. The other option is to use a desexed male to 'mate' with her and pull her out of season.

    Desexing also gives you dog less chances of getting overian/testicle cancer
    And that risk is comparably small compared to other health problems a dog can get, but a part cannot get cancer if it is not there you are correct. The logic ran in a similar vein when docking and cropping is done, you cannot damage/injure what you dont have.
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    A stumpy tail ACD doesn't necessarily have no tail.
    Boris, (papered) who is the sire of the other 3 in my sig, when Pretty (far right in sig) became a tart over at my father in laws farm, has a tail, though you can't see it as he was very intimidated by the camera.

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    Docking is done for the convenience of the human, not the dog. Please do not espouse that it's a choice you are entitled to have unless you are going to give your dog a say too - and, after all,they are the owner of the tail.

    How would you feel if someone decided one day that hey, women would look much better without boobs, so hey, let's cut em off because they'll take up less room, and we can make clothes smaller, save a bit of dosh for the manufacturing industry. Absolute crock arguement and so is docking "becuase it looks better". Generations of habit is what has taught people that docking "looks better" because that's the way that people - not the dogs - decided that's the way certain breeds would be. It's only been about 8 years or so that docking has been outlawed in Vic... nowhere near long enough for some people to get over the 'convenience' of cutting off a puppy's tail with a pair of scissors to avoid paying for a vet bill.

    Dogs have tails, with certain genetic exceptions (like stumpies, which spontaneously occur naturally in dogs, cats and lizards to name just a few). End of story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkest View Post
    How would you feel if someone decided one day that hey, women would look much better without boobs
    Whatever happens please lets not go down this route

    This has been a very interesting discussion, thanks to both sides of the argument

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    After very nearly losing my young cattle dog to pyometra following her first heat and having had a family dog in the past that suffered from constant phantom pregnancies, I find speying my girls to be a no fuss healthy choice. No visitations from persistant males from neighbouring farms or wild dogs and no having to confine my bitches and no risk of pregnancy.

    However if a person is responsible with their management and chooses to not sterilise their dogs that is fine too.

    I really dont like the look of cropped ears and I like natural tails. My dogs are all working dogs on at times fairly aggressive livestock and I have never had any work related injuries to tails, or problems with floppy ears. My dogs use their tails to balance and steer themselves through fast directinal changes. When they back sheep they use their tails to help stop themselves falling under lots of trampling hooves. They also use their tails when do the fast directional changes in agility. And of course the best part is that they wave them like flags when they greet me.

    I have friends who hunt and retrieve with their retrieving dogs and their dogs steer in the water with their tails, they are not a hindrance. Many working dogs in tough jobs have full tails with no problems at all. I personally dont really see any good reason for docking.

    I know rotties, poodles and a pit bull with natural tails and they seem to me to be nice healthy tails and in no more danger of getting hurt than my kelpie, border collies or cattle dogs when they work on livestock and in heavy scrub retrieving livestock.

    Anyway why would you bother docking a pet when it will never work? wouldnt you rather enjoy the expressions of the tail? I dont dock the tails of my lambs as they are shedding sheep and there is no need to, but most people still do it for tradition. It also protects the ewes from the sun - I bought in some ewes and they have been docked so short that they are fully exposed to the sun. I have no problem with docking where there is a real need but not where there isnt or for the sake of tradition.
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    Gosh Kala....you just reminded me of docking lambs on my uncles farm (where all his working and hunting dogs have tails and ears with no probs).
    Now i'm no expert on this but we did it with a pair of heavy duty secatare (spelling ?) type cutters as he reckoned a nice clean cut will heal better than a burnt off tail. Not to sure whats the best honestly but i do remember feeling like the biggest arsehole in the world...covered in blood (me and the lamb) and letting these little lambs run off to find mum, calling out like only a little lamb in pain can.
    The docking rings where a real eye opener too.
    I understand why it's done but it was somthing i'll never forget. Made me realise i was a little bit of a city kid....or precious and uneducated as some would call it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean View Post
    Gosh Kala....you just reminded me of docking lambs on my uncles farm (where all his working and hunting dogs have tails and ears with no probs).
    Now i'm no expert on this but we did it with a pair of heavy duty secatare (spelling ?) type cutters as he reckoned a nice clean cut will heal better than a burnt off tail. Not to sure whats the best honestly but i do remember feeling like the biggest arsehole in the world...covered in blood (me and the lamb) and letting these little lambs run off to find mum, calling out like only a little lamb in pain can.
    The docking rings where a real eye opener too.
    I understand why it's done but it was somthing i'll never forget. Made me realise i was a little bit of a city kid....or precious and uneducated as some would call it.
    I remember seeing those cutting tool things in animal husbandry at school, no way would I want to use them . We had school lambs and ewes that we had to look after and we did the rubber band around the tail to dock them. Poor little babies lol

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