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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekhbet View Post
    fences and training help in preventing accidents. Desexing should be a choice, not a gang up. If a person is responsible, leave them be, that is my point. I have never had an accident, escape or wanderer and have had entire dogs for almost 10 years, it's not rocket science.

    I work dogs and train dogs. Cropping can open the base of the ears in breeds that may have them collapse in a little when pups (flop eared breeds) it also prevents the ears being damaged during work (haematomas, tearing, bleeding etc) the docks and crops are there for a good reason. A nice open ear canal can help a dog in its training and work.
    Docked tails are the same, a lot of naturally docked breeds suddenly have tails - breeders never selected for good strong tails because it never mattered. I'd be too scared to take on a few of the now undocked individuals as their curled rat tails would be broken in no time ... now the dog is unable to do what it was meant to and breeders have stopped breeding, over a few people having a whinge. My rottweiler had an abysmal tail, it had no meat or substance too it and you could almost see every vertebrate. Constantly injured it too, one day it was so thin it slipped under the screen door and as he got up he ripped off the tip. Good tails, fine leave them, rat tails need to go for the sake of the dog. I believe in choice, and I dont like choices being made for me particularly by the uneducated. I suppose it's all part and parcel of the gradual decline in dogs anyway, dont crop them, dock them, work them, put a correction chain around them, use an e-collar, use a prong, breed them to international standards or support Schutzhund. No wonder the rest of the world chuckles when they see what we are doing down here.

    Dew claw removal at least for now is not an issue I'm sure someone will take offence to that one day too.
    Ah I never considered the effect not docking previously docked breeds may have on the structure of the tail. That is a very good point Nehkbet. Your poor Rottie

    I think there is a lot of good reasons for docking and cropping and I think some people are a bit precious about it. As you said earlier it is a less invasive, less dangerous surgery then desexing and can be functional and better for them medically. What can you do though. I don't think it is something that will be over turned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keira & Phoenix View Post
    I think Nehkbet was pointing out that our bigger responsibility is to keep our dog in our yard and under control. If you can do that then desexing is not such a needful thing.

    Personally I desex to prevent any behavioural issues that come with the extra hormones, unwanted litters of dogs never come into the equation because I would keep my dogs securely contained if they were entire and on heat. And in fact Keira did have her first heat and was kept contained in the house all day every day whilst she was.
    Yeah I understand what he/she means, but still i think it is ridiculous to compare cropping/docking for aesthetic perposes to getting your dog fixed for what ever reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadielee87 View Post
    Yeah I understand what he/she means, but still i think it is ridiculous to compare cropping/docking for aesthetic perposes to getting your dog fixed for what ever reason.
    I think Nehkbet as pointed out some very valid reasons why cropping/docking can be beneficial for the dog and not just for aesthetic purposes.

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    And as I said... if there is a valid reason and it benefits the animal it doesn't worry me. Doing it purely for looks is what I'm not really a fan of. Does that make sense now?! Lol

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    I also have non-desexed dogs and I have never had accidents or my dogs roaming escaped.......And i also believe it is up to us and we should not be made to desex our dogs and made to feel guilty if we don't. And pay huge registration fees, because we have not
    Pets are forever

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    Quote Originally Posted by reyzor View Post
    jack, does your dog wear a bow tie :P
    I didn't see that

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    Yeah I understand what he/she means, but still i think it is ridiculous to compare cropping/docking for aesthetic perposes to getting your dog fixed for what ever reason.
    Ahh but we get our dogs desexed for our own convenience as well - no balls, no effort some people think. So the dog has had a surgical procedure really, for aesthetics. If it was, say, like a female ferret that would in all probability die if not mated at her first season, and you need a desexed male too to keep your breeding females in check too then that is management. But to just desex so people can have a less effort dog to me, is not right either. Dogs are dogs, the less entire ones around too, the less people seem to understand about them.

    As for the 'tough macho' thing ... I'm a girl. My dogue was entire, and I didnt want him desexed. Was I out to prove something having a muscular, well defined male dog walking around on a lead? He looked spectacular, and I loved him the way he looked, why is it also a crime to love the way your dog looks I'm sure everyone here does. Gentle as a lamb until the day he passed despite the danglers lol
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    I live in Queensland and have no idea about ferrets sorry, so that analogy is lost on me. I don't understand why you're still carrying on about the desexing, what point are you trying to prove? I am a lazy bad owner because I chose to have my dogs fixed.... Good for me!

    Who said anything about keeping dogs entire = a macho wannabe? Now you're just making things up. I'm not going to repeat myself again about the cropping/docking issue as I've made my opinion clear.

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    Desexing also gives you dog less chances of getting overian/testicle cancer, so why not desex if its a pet and not going to be bred?
    Does not mean you're a lazy dog owner at all!

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    Still looks adorable with "croped" ears

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