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    cool pics k&p...... i still prefer the look of a rottie or dobe with a docked tail... maybe its cos its all im used to and seeing these dogs with tails now jsut doing look right to me.....

    i love how a GSD puppies ears are all floopy, make em look very cute......... they look like real hunters with their ears pricked up.....
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    There's a difference between 'meaner' and cleaner. I dont think cropping makes them look mean at all, but for some breeds it can be beneficial. Docking I wish we never got rid of, it's a right PITA without it now.

    Remember too there are a lot of different crops. The fine, tall crop the americans do to me is rediculous and serves little purpose considering it can go wrong so easily due to the shape. Whereas the more original rounded style is beautiful. Docking too done right has benefits ... I wont buy a docked breed with a tail any more.

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    I find it ironic that we whinge how cruel it supposedly is to trim ears and tails, yet we dont bat an eyelid to go take pups to have their insides sifted through to be speyed, or testicles removed at a young age. We've become conditioned a little dont you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekhbet View Post
    There's a difference between 'meaner' and cleaner. I dont think cropping makes them look mean at all, but for some breeds it can be beneficial. Docking I wish we never got rid of, it's a right PITA without it now.

    Remember too there are a lot of different crops. The fine, tall crop the americans do to me is rediculous and serves little purpose considering it can go wrong so easily due to the shape. Whereas the more original rounded style is beautiful. Docking too done right has benefits ... I wont buy a docked breed with a tail any more.

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    I find it ironic that we whinge how cruel it supposedly is to trim ears and tails, yet we dont bat an eyelid to go take pups to have their insides sifted through to be speyed, or testicles removed at a young age. We've become conditioned a little dont you think?
    Spaying and neutering is a little different though. We don't do that to make the animal "look better" we do it to help prevent illness later in life and stop thousands more puppies/dogs being PTS due to oversupply. Totally different things IMO.

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    Spaying and neutering is a little different though. We don't do that to make the animal "look better" we do it to help prevent illness later in life and stop thousands more puppies/dogs being PTS due to oversupply. Totally different things IMO.
    Cropping and docking were also done to prevent illness. A spey is ten times the operation a correctly done dock or crop is, particularly in an older bitch.

    Responsible people prevent overpopulation, not desexing. It's an obsession here in Australia to desex whereas most other places it is not. Desexing encourages people to be lax in their training and responsibilities as we seem convinced its a cure all to our problems, whereas it's actually down on the list of responsibilities of a dog owner. I dont have desexed dogs and I wont ever again unless required to medically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfsie View Post
    it does make a huge difference..i am surprised. She would not want to live in Victoria as she is in the "cropped" picture
    I wouldn't take her anywhere near Victoria even with her normal ears, bloody bunch of nut jobs down there.
    It does make a huge difference, with cropped ears people would recognise her for what she is a lot quicker then they currently do. I think mostly because over here in Aus our view of PB's is only what we see in movies which usually entails cropped ears.
    Only PB fanciers/owners recognise her for what she is over here (that is people who fancy the true breed and not those whales they breed these days and call PB)

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkest View Post
    I almost fell off my chair when I read the title of this thread... thanks goodness it's just digital! I actually thought to myself "You did WHAT??!!"

    Nekhbet, can you please expand on why you think docking and cropping is useful? {I am so hoping that your statement is either a button or a herring}
    LMAO! I knew it would shock a few people haha. Sorry for scaring you!

    Quote Originally Posted by mymatejack View Post
    love the pics btw K@P, just thought i might add a couple of Jack .... i regularly play with his ears and fold them back on themselves and jokingly started calling his folded back ears "his fighting ears" never thought to post up a pic of this before your thread, so anyway, here's jack's "cropped" ears pics. p.s the second one is just to show them folded back



    Hahaha he looks cute! Phi's ears do the same thing sometimes and they sort of looked cropped from a certain angle.

    Quote Originally Posted by pepe001 View Post
    I wonder why it does make a dog meaner. Is it because the face seems pulled up and so is gruffer or is it that we are used to seeing 'mean' dogs on TV (in the US. for example) ie pits and dobes owned as fighting dogs or guard dogs (or owner wantabes owning a tough fighting dog) or is it just (as suggested by someone earlier) that floppy ears do look a bit doufsey.

    I have 2 bluey*kelpie*bc somethings but one has pricked ears and one floppy and the latter definatley looks softer. So maybe it is the last reason. What do others think?

    As for the fake cropped one at the start - great photos but I would like them better without the photoshoping.
    I think it is all in perception. To be honest, I dont look at APBT's that have cropped ears and think they look meaner, I think they look adorable haha and I quite like the smooth lines that come with a cropped ear in a APBT. But I am a breed lover/fancier and I know how docile and sweet they are.

    On the other hand most people only see things in movies and the media and have a perception that these breeds are mean and dangerous so they automatically perceive the cropped ear as "bad".
    I also think it comes down to the perception of the "soft" floppy ear. It certainly softens up their face a bit.

    I LOVE the un edited versions of these photos. They were taken last weekend at the beach and they came out brilliantly. I will post them all a bit later (unedited )

    Quote Originally Posted by reyzor View Post
    cool pics k&p...... i still prefer the look of a rottie or dobe with a docked tail... maybe its cos its all im used to and seeing these dogs with tails now jsut doing look right to me.....

    i love how a GSD puppies ears are all floopy, make em look very cute......... they look like real hunters with their ears pricked up.....
    Thanks Reyzor. I love when the GSD pups go through the stages were their ears up up and down and on top of their head, they look adorable.
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    To be honest I am not against cropping.
    As I said earlier I love the neat lines that are created by the cropped ears of APBT. Mind you I also love their floppy ears so I am partial to either one. IN the end whilst ever I live in Australia my dogs will have full ears, when I move to the States then my dogs will be rescues and so will come with whatever they have at the time.

    I don't mind the traditionally tail docked dogs with long tails. Although they usually have whip tails and bloody well hurt when you get hit by them!

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    I agree that cropping does look good, I'm on a world wide AmStaff forum and most have their show dogs cropped. I wouldn't do it because I like the look of goofy ears and I wouldn't want to put my dogs through the pain to make them look better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekhbet View Post
    Cropping and docking were also done to prevent illness. A spey is ten times the operation a correctly done dock or crop is, particularly in an older bitch.

    Responsible people prevent overpopulation, not desexing. It's an obsession here in Australia to desex whereas most other places it is not. Desexing encourages people to be lax in their training and responsibilities as we seem convinced its a cure all to our problems, whereas it's actually down on the list of responsibilities of a dog owner. I dont have desexed dogs and I wont ever again unless required to medically.
    I've been responsible BY getting both of mine desexed not only so that I don't have puppies, but old mate up the road doesn't wake up one morning with a litter of fawn puppies either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadielee87 View Post
    I've been responsible BY getting both of mine desexed not only so that I don't have puppies, but old mate up the road doesn't wake up one morning with a litter of fawn puppies either.
    I think Nehkbet was pointing out that our bigger responsibility is to keep our dog in our yard and under control. If you can do that then desexing is not such a needful thing.

    Personally I desex to prevent any behavioural issues that come with the extra hormones, unwanted litters of dogs never come into the equation because I would keep my dogs securely contained if they were entire and on heat. And in fact Keira did have her first heat and was kept contained in the house all day every day whilst she was.

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    jack, does your dog wear a bow tie :P
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    fences and training help in preventing accidents. Desexing should be a choice, not a gang up. If a person is responsible, leave them be, that is my point. I have never had an accident, escape or wanderer and have had entire dogs for almost 10 years, it's not rocket science.

    I work dogs and train dogs. Cropping can open the base of the ears in breeds that may have them collapse in a little when pups (flop eared breeds) it also prevents the ears being damaged during work (haematomas, tearing, bleeding etc) the docks and crops are there for a good reason. A nice open ear canal can help a dog in its training and work.
    Docked tails are the same, a lot of naturally docked breeds suddenly have tails - breeders never selected for good strong tails because it never mattered. I'd be too scared to take on a few of the now undocked individuals as their curled rat tails would be broken in no time ... now the dog is unable to do what it was meant to and breeders have stopped breeding, over a few people having a whinge. My rottweiler had an abysmal tail, it had no meat or substance too it and you could almost see every vertebrate. Constantly injured it too, one day it was so thin it slipped under the screen door and as he got up he ripped off the tip. Good tails, fine leave them, rat tails need to go for the sake of the dog. I believe in choice, and I dont like choices being made for me particularly by the uneducated. I suppose it's all part and parcel of the gradual decline in dogs anyway, dont crop them, dock them, work them, put a correction chain around them, use an e-collar, use a prong, breed them to international standards or support Schutzhund. No wonder the rest of the world chuckles when they see what we are doing down here.

    Dew claw removal at least for now is not an issue I'm sure someone will take offence to that one day too.

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