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    thanks for the ideas guys,

    I have tried a lot of them already i have had 1 on 1 training for recall on long lead and have my own long lead. we have tried treats but she is NEVER interested even if she hasn't eaten. As soon as we are out on the lead nothing else is important which becomes really frustrating.

    with the hole digging i have tried EVERYTHING poop,balloons,mouse traps, chicken wire over the hole, EVERYTHING but nothing stops her, we have also put them in a seperate part of the yard to stop them destroying the yard and even then they have totally destroyed the sie we have designated to them, she gets walks every day toys when we leave they have a small paddling pool with shade and still the holes are dug, i have tried using a sand pit with treat but nope wasn't interested.

    I have tried ignoring the bad and only rewatding the good but again no difference. She has a serious case of anxiety which is why i was thinking of progressing with the dominence as my friends dog had an anxiety issue and it was all down too her being confussed who pack leader was, but i donno i really do not want to resort to medication but i may have to, it upsets me so much to say that as it wouldn't be a nice was to live being "drugged up" but i am just at the end of my rope.

    I have done the what is right and wrong and me and my partner follow the same "rules" we say no to what is not allowed and reward what is allowed. She is made to sit before dinner time and not allowed to eat untill she is allowed, she is made to sit while waiting for a walk, we can do recall in the back yard with no problems in the house easy but as soon as we step out the door it is like it all goes out the window and if we see another dog well pft it is like she doesn't know anything.

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    Being pack leader and exerting dominance are two completely different things IMO. Being pack leader to me means that you give the dog guidance so they learn to look to you for direction and approval. It may look to you that you have given the dog clear signals to teach her what is right and wrong. But sometimes things look very different from a dog's perspective and what seems clear to us may just be confusing to them. It differs from one dog to another too. Which is sometimes where someone who is an expert in dog psychology may come in handy. Not all trainers are equal...

    One thing you could try to overcome her getting overexited and losing focus when you take her out is to refuse to take her anywhere until she calms down. You go out with her on the lead, try to get her attention and if she doesn't respond, you just go in again. Do this until she does look at you, reward, continue, repeat the process. You may have to do it 10, 20, 100 times, but eventually she will get what it is you expect of her.

    Is she motivated by other things than food? Ball chasing, tug of war?

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    SandyHarley; what state are you in?

    In my opinion you need a good trainer/ behaviorist to work with you, probably for a while. It sounds confused and messy (from a behavior modification perspective) and this is making it harder a d more stressful for you and your dog. I also think it is too complicated for 'online' training.

    I'd like to be able to recommend someone (in your state) to you if you're interested. Are you able to travel?

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    Most ordinary dog owners are not experts in dog behaviour, which in turn means we dont necessarily emulate it right either. Id be interested to know what you are doing in regards to this, i.e. how are you exerting dominance/showing you are the pack leader? What you are doing, could quite likely be making th ebehaviour worse....you may be thinking you are showing her place but you could in fact be making her more confused.

    Alternatively, some dogs are just destructive and/or anxious. Like people, there isnt always a fix IMO. I had a staffy/boxer x and it didnt matter how obediant he was, or how much exercise he got, if you left something in reach, it was destroyed....we just learnt to accept that that was who he was.

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    Sorry if i have missed it, but what sort of breed is she? I know with working breeds or high energy breeds walking and a bit of play with toys simply isn't enough to drain them of their energy and they release it in destructive ways....

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    You dont need to exert dominance you need to exert leadership. I think at least one session with a really good trainer might get you on the right track. Meanwhile have you tried reading some articles from Leerburg Dog Training | 16,000 pages of dog training information, 300 free streaming videos, DVDs and Free Dog Training ebooks Heaps of free stuff there to start with.

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    I feel for you. This just sounds so exhausting. Im not sure id be up to taking it on myself.
    Rehome? is this an option.

    Dont know if its the way im reading it, but it looks like you are starting from scratch with a problem dog. I groan for you.

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    The best thing we did after getting our puppies at 8.5 weeks of age was start puppy kinda at 10 weeks of age. Through puppy kinda our puppies got to interact with other vaccinated puppies but, most importantly, my wife and I have been learning a great deal about puppy behaviour and how to interact and not interact with our puppies.

    The guidance we've been provided at puppy kinda has been so effective so far that we even set rules for guests to our home before they enter. We tell guests to completely ignore the dogs when they come in until the dogs realise they aren't going to get any attention from the guests by barking at them and jumping up on them. They calm down really quickly by being ignored and, when they're calm, our guests are then allowed to give the dogs love and attention (we have young nieces and nephews who visit).

    I can't recommend puppy kinda enough for new dog owners. Fortunately, ours is very behavioural focused, which is was we need. Fos and Ebo graduate tonight!

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