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    [QUOTE]Hi,

    I wonder if anyone can suggest what I can do about my dog getting excited and using his teeth when we play.

    It only happens when he is really excited (eg when we go for our run in the morning and he comes to a big open part of the park where he sort of tucks his tail under and runs in circles - having a lot of fun, or when we get home when we have been out for a while, or when he is playing with my 9 year old).

    He grabs at your hands with his teeth or he nips at your clothing. We have tried yelping and walking away from him, time outs, squirting him with water, saying no. We don't seem to be having much luck.

    the other time he does it is if you rub his tummy. We have got around this by letting him chew on a kong or his chewy stick so he is occupied with that not your hand.

    He never growls, and there is no aggression, I just don't think he has much impulse control.

    He is an Airedale, nearly 9 months old and we did not get him till he was 5 months. He gets about 2 hours of exercise every day, probably half off leash, we do clicker training each day. He walks nicely on a leash, but he just can't stop himself when he is excited.
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    Hi,

    I wonder if anyone can suggest what I can do about my dog getting excited and using his teeth when we play.

    It only happens when he is really excited (eg when we go for our run in the morning and he comes to a big open part of the park where he sort of tucks his tail under and runs in circles - having a lot of fun, or when we get home when we have been out for a while, or when he is playing with my 9 year old).

    He grabs at your hands with his teeth or he nips at your clothing. We have tried yelping and walking away from him, time outs, squirting him with water, saying no. We don't seem to be having much luck.
    S: Hi there, sometimes when the game has been labeled loads of fun by the dog, the yelping / startle responses will not work, it might take some more management to lower the intensity of the games for a while.

    the other time he does it is if you rub his tummy. We have got around this by letting him chew on a kong or his chewy stick so he is occupied with that not your hand.

    He never growls, and there is no aggression, I just don't think he has much impulse control.
    S: Perhaps you are right, but it more sounds like he uses his mouth to control / communicate. Teaching some impulse control is always a great idea though, one simple program to do this is my Triangle of Temptation program, it can be downloaded from my website or it is a sticky here.

    He is an Airedale, nearly 9 months old and we did not get him till he was 5 months. He gets about 2 hours of exercise every day, probably half off leash, we do clicker training each day. He walks nicely on a leash, but he just can't stop himself when he is excited.
    S: When you are clicker training him, does he respond well?
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    Hi Steve,

    Thanks for taking the time to get back to me.

    I think you are right that he uses his mouth/teeth to communicate (not so much control). When you rub his tummy, he really likes it. He makes wooky noises and likes holding your non rubbing hand in his mouth. With me especially, he holds my hand very gently and vibrates his teeth on me. I have never had a dog do this before (my prevoius experience has been with Kelpies).

    With the clicker, he works things out really well. Doesn't have a very long attention span though, and gets the frustration barks if he can't work out what I want, or I have put the criteria up a bit too quickly. He is actually quite a good communicator.

    I have seen your triangle of temptation sticky on the site. I'm going on holidays tomorrow, so we might have a 2 week intensive TOT to see how we go. My biggest concern is putting him on the tie out then waiting for the quiet. He barks when frustrated, and Airedales have a real belling bark. Our neighbours aren't hugely tolerant about noise, not that he is noisy, but when we first got him they sent a letter of complaint because he howled.

    Currently I get my 6 year old (the smallest person in the house) to feed him. He has to sit, drop and then wait until Will puts his dish down in his crate. Should I feed him with the TOT or Will?

    Once again, thanks for your response. I get your email newsletter and I love reading your stuff. Do you do your programmes with a clicker focus. I want to train Geoff with positive methods, but I feel I'm out of my depth a bit. I would really like to do some obedience and agility with him. Despite what it may seem like from my description, he really is a lovely smart dog. His biggest handicap is probably going to be my ineptitude.

    Regards

    Curly Girl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curly Girl View Post
    Hi Steve,

    Thanks for taking the time to get back to me.

    I think you are right that he uses his mouth/teeth to communicate (not so much control). When you rub his tummy, he really likes it. He makes wooky noises and likes holding your non rubbing hand in his mouth. With me especially, he holds my hand very gently and vibrates his teeth on me. I have never had a dog do this before (my prevoius experience has been with Kelpies).

    With the clicker, he works things out really well. Doesn't have a very long attention span though, and gets the frustration barks if he can't work out what I want, or I have put the criteria up a bit too quickly. He is actually quite a good communicator.
    S: It might be a good idea to teach him via the clicker that touching your hands with his teeth is not rewarding, as he already does well with CT, this should be easy to teach him.

    I have seen your triangle of temptation sticky on the site. I'm going on holidays tomorrow, so we might have a 2 week intensive TOT to see how we go. My biggest concern is putting him on the tie out then waiting for the quiet. He barks when frustrated, and Airedales have a real belling bark. Our neighbours aren't hugely tolerant about noise, not that he is noisy, but when we first got him they sent a letter of complaint because he howled.
    S: The tie out has many benefits so I would try it that way first, most people find there is no issue with it.

    Currently I get my 6 year old (the smallest person in the house) to feed him. He has to sit, drop and then wait until Will puts his dish down in his crate. Should I feed him with the TOT or Will?
    S: I would start this with an adult, get your dog into the routine then teach it to your 6yo, this works nicely.

    Once again, thanks for your response. I get your email newsletter and I love reading your stuff. Do you do your programmes with a clicker focus. I want to train Geoff with positive methods, but I feel I'm out of my depth a bit. I would really like to do some obedience and agility with him. Despite what it may seem like from my description, he really is a lovely smart dog. His biggest handicap is probably going to be my ineptitude.
    S: I dont have a program specifically to train clicker work, although I do use it throughout some of my programs, I dont have a distance program on it at this stage, it is normally taught in lessons here, but there are some really great books out there on CT plus if you give me an idea where you are, I may be able to recommend a trainer near you.

    Steve
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    Steve,

    Thanks again for your suggestions.

    I live at Narrabeen on the Northern Beaches, about half an hour north of Manly.

    cheers

    Curly Girl

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    Hi Steve,

    Just a follow up on my earlier post. Geoff is progressing .... slowly.

    He gets that he has to sit and wait for me to say ok, but gets very frustrated doing the stay. We are only going up by 5 seconds. 10 was too much of a stretch, but we are up to 40 so we are getting there.

    Thanks so much for your help.

    Regards

    Curly Girl

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    An Airedale called Geoff. I love it!

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    note to others - this is a very old thread, last post (before bernie bumped it) was January.

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