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    Quote Originally Posted by chisa View Post
    Here's another question for you - how would you address puppies that bark excitedly when encountering other dogs and while playing with other dogs at the dog park or out walking?
    S: I would first ascertain if the barking was over excitement or anxiety driven, treating each one of them is a very different process.

    What is your intepretation of why they are doing this? Body language is excited, sometimes hackles up, some tail wagging.
    S: These signs often mean the dog is aroused at a minimum, it sounds like the pup is not confident at this point.

    I have been correcting it by saying firmly 'quiet' or 'ah ah' and if it persists, putting the pup on lead and walking it away from play and returning in about 30 seconds when they are quiet. This was working, but now the barking just keeps happening on and off the whole time. Fortunately, they are playing with even tempered dogs who just ignore the barking.
    S:I guess the real problem is that I would be trying to give you advice based off your diagnosis of the mind state of the pup and the other dogs at the time, which may nit be as I would see it.

    If the pup is anxious, using pressure, even as little as a firm tone may not be the way to go.

    The problem may be in the play style the your pup has, which might mean that your pup expects the older dogs its now playing with to play like your pups old litter mates. This needs to be adjusted so that the pups expectations are not missaligned.

    I might with the above body language points spend more controlled time with your pup and other dogs rather than just uncontrolled play. It seems that the pup may not yet have the ideal socialisation value of the other dogs and is insecure at these times of play.

    This is a concern as it often translates to fear aggression when the pup develops a little maturity.
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    Just to add 5 cents re the harnesses:- we are using the sporn mesh no pull harness with a beagle- who gets very distracted by scent- and we have found it great- much better than a standard harness- and no rubbing that I can see. We walk 3 to 6km a day- always on the leash.
    I hate halti- have never used them, sure they must damage a dogs neck.

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    Hello everyone,

    I have used halti/check chain/limited (martingale) and of course flat collar. I have found halti works best but again like other people suggested I am also concerned about long term side effects. Funny enough i have been using all those collars. Would this inconsistency be a problem?

    My boys tend to pull more when they being walked together, so I and my partner have been taking them out separately unless weekends. Even individually they tend to pull first 5-10 minutes when walked. I am sure this is not unusual for young dogs or am i trying to find some excuses for my dog

    I have been thinking of sporn harness which sweetboy talked about. What is your opinion on this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hachna View Post
    Hello everyone,

    I have used halti/check chain/limited (martingale) and of course flat collar. I have found halti works best but again like other people suggested I am also concerned about long term side effects. Funny enough i have been using all those collars. Would this inconsistency be a problem?
    S: Yep it sure can, I really only ever supply the one option tothe dog until the target behaviour is achieved, swapping between options will leave him always wondering of the rules apply today.

    My boys tend to pull more when they being walked together, so I and my partner have been taking them out separately unless weekends. Even individually they tend to pull first 5-10 minutes when walked. I am sure this is not unusual for young dogs or am i trying to find some excuses for my dog
    S: lol you might be. The pulling the first 10 minutes is reinforcing the pulling behaviour, so it must be stopped.

    I have been thinking of sporn harness which sweetboy talked about. What is your opinion on this?
    S:I have read and seen some people have success with this, I dont use nor recommend the harnesses that have the dog supply a tightening force, I fidn the dogs pull on the sporns until they feel enough pain and stop. This technically is not how aversives are supposed to be used and when the sporn harness comes off, I cant say I have ever seen a dog tha walks in position without pulling, but that doesnt mean there arent any.
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    Hey Steve,

    thanks for your thoughts on my puppy's behaviour re - barking at the dog park. Out of the two options you suggested - anxiety or excitement, I am pretty convinced the barking is an excited behaviour, as opposed to anxiety. She is a very vocal puppy when playing with the other dogs at home and will bark at them to elicit a response or when the play is at it's highest energy level.

    I agree with you that she needs to learn that not all dogs play like her litter mates, or even the other dogs she lives with. I think this is a great point to start with. The reason why I want to address this behaviour of greeting other dogs with excited barking is that it can trigger unwanted reactions in other dogs and is not an ideal way for her to learn to greet new dogs.

    What I have been doing is repeating the same pattern with her at the dog park, which is a calm request for her to be quiet (it's a process in itself for her to learn what I am asking for here, but she is getting it with repition of the same word - "quiet"). Then if she stops, even for a couple of seconds, I praise. If she keeps going, I call her, put her lead on and then use this to keep her closer when I give the "quiet" request. If she responds (the times she does are increasing), I praise and let her off the lead to play again. If she gets really fixated on a particular dog, I take them all off for a brisk couple of laps round the park. I avoid standing around in one spot for two long anyway, to avoid intense play and my guys will all come off-lead when I say "let's go" and I walk off quickly.

    It is a challenge to work with multiple dogs to ensure they are getting enough work, but I am committed to doing it. I am taking the pups out seperately, as well as together, for walks, this helps build that bond where they can listen and understand what I am asking for.

    Steve, I'm sure you have further comments to add - please do so,

    Cathy.

    P.S - martingale collars are working beautifully with all the dogs - I have even taken the Halti off the big guy. I agree that in many cases, harnesses and head-collar devices don't actually train the dog to walk without pulling, as the dog still pulls without them on, whereas with the martingale collars and consistent, gentle corrections, stopping when they pull, etc. even though it's more time consuming, it is resulting in dogs who understand that they are required to walk with a loose lead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chisa View Post
    Hey Steve,
    What I have been doing is repeating the same pattern with her at the dog park, which is a calm request for her to be quiet (it's a process in itself for her to learn what I am asking for here, but she is getting it with repition of the same word - "quiet"). Then if she stops, even for a couple of seconds, I praise.
    S: Good, you also may find using the clicker in this instance may be better and pass the message accross better too.

    If she keeps going, I call her, put her lead on and then use this to keep her closer when I give the "quiet" request. If she responds (the times she does are increasing), I praise and let her off the lead to play again. If she gets really fixated on a particular dog, I take them all off for a brisk couple of laps round the park. I avoid standing around in one spot for two long anyway, to avoid intense play and my guys will all come off-lead when I say "let's go" and I walk off quickly.
    S: Something else I do is that I play with my dog, not make the park about playing with other dogs so much.

    It is a challenge to work with multiple dogs to ensure they are getting enough work, but I am committed to doing it. I am taking the pups out seperately, as well as together, for walks, this helps build that bond where they can listen and understand what I am asking for.

    Steve, I'm sure you have further comments to add - please do so,

    Cathy.
    S: Sure I would just make sure that I had the desirable behaviour solid with each dog separately before taking them in groups, this may pull apart your good work.

    P.S - martingale collars are working beautifully with all the dogs - I have even taken the Halti off the big guy. I agree that in many cases, harnesses and head-collar devices don't actually train the dog to walk without pulling, as the dog still pulls without them on, whereas with the martingale collars and consistent, gentle corrections, stopping when they pull, etc. even though it's more time consuming, it is resulting in dogs who understand that they are required to walk with a loose lead.
    S: Yep well done
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