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    Hey Everyone,

    I am new here, I am a 35 year old Male that owns a purebred large (larger than normal) 2 year old Male (undesexed) Labradore, Golden in colour. He has an AMAZING temperment, he has extremely strong prey drive, and even stronger food drive. He is very socialized with humans, including older children and teenagers. He has not known fears or phobias, but he is a resource guarder with his food.

    I used to be of the opinion that dogs should be just left to be dogs, and people that excessively train dogs, are control freaks trying to supress the natural nature of their dogs to turn them into slave robots... However my opinions have changed.

    I now see great value in training a dog, and learning about its psychology and handling.

    Indeed many things I have been doing with my Labradore (some of which I still do), are not appropriate according to the professionals I have researched.... Letting a dog up on furniture/ on the bed, and various other things is a big no no in their eyes, though they tend to train dogs with more potential for aggression. My dog is assertive, but not very aggressive, though I do believe if he truly percieves something is his enemy (he considers humans his friends) that he IS capable of attacking. I believe he is capable of attacking if somebody took his food.

    I don't walk my dog (I only recieved him at 1 years of age, he had been roughed up a great deal by the previous owners). The reason I don't walk the dog, is he is UNCONTROLLABLE on a leesh. He goes INSANE when you try to take him for a walk. He pulls with MAXIMUM strength the entire walk. I have patiently tried to teach him but have failed, I have also have other people who have trained dogs try and fail. I have stopped walking him, because I was using a choke collar, and it makes NO DIFFERENCE whatsoever. From reading what I have read, I am worried it could hurt his neck.

    The other day, I was given a teddy bear. A few minutes later, I hear my dog growling the most aggressive growl he is capable, he was on the absolute verge of attacking. I go in, and he is locked into a stare with the teddy bear, perhaps I shouldn't have, but I decided to let him have it, and he immediately proceeded to rip it to pieces, violently shaking his head from side to side when it was in his mouth! Its severed head (lol sorry for the graphic langauge) drives the dog insane any time he sees it, though he doesn't growl, he tries to jump up and do anything in his power to get it!

    I am interested in a couple of years of getting a guard dog, that is fully capable of attacting, however not until I have massively improved my dog handling and training abilities. The reason I want a guard dog is that I have a passion for such a highly trained dog, I have serious enemies, I live in the roughest suburb in South Australia, and barking is obviously not enough to stop some intruders- the only thing that will stop them is attack. I have lived here 4 months, and I have already have one house break in, and the house next door was broken into. Also when my house was broken into, the dog was lured out with bait, somebody picked it up and took it home- I was lucky to get the dog back. The Labradore as it is, is not suitable as a guard dog, it will bark, but I simply can't see it attacking a human even if it was warranted. Please note that I would never use an attack dog on a human, unless my life was in absolute danger, and I gave warning. I was the victim of a stabbing during a home invasion 17 years ago, so I don't really care for people that think that dogs should never be taught to attack.

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    Hi Sir-Bongalot (intersting name).
    I'd day your dog is very bored which is why teddy bear was torn apart.
    I suggest putting a lead on him while at home so he gets used to it. A check chain and clicker training is usually a great way to get a dog good on a leash, however if you are very concerned about neck injury, you could try a harness.

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    Hi Sirbongalot (haha) I live in your area. The other thread got closed so just thought I would chuck my advice in here.

    I OWN a restricted breed. DONT do it to yourself or the dog. Its not fair and there is way too much risk. I cant even explain how hard it is.

    If you want a 'guard' dog, I recommend one that is trained to be one. The only way you can do Shutzhund training in Adelaide is by owning a breed like a german shepherd or rotty. They DO NOT accept restricted breeds. Trust me Ive enquired. Not because I wanted to teach Bailey to attack but because I wanted to control her natural ability to protect me. Shutzhund training is all about controlling your dogs natural instincts.

    I advise you to get a dog that is a pure bred and is bred by a registered breeder. That way you have a better way of knowing what your dogs temperament etc will be like.

    Hope that helps.

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    It spelt 'Labrador.'
    Sorry, couldn't resist.

    I don't understand this post at all. You speak of the value in training and handling a dog, but then go on to say you don't exercise your dog because, well, you can't?
    You also say he has an 'amazing' temperament, but is assertive and not 'very' aggressive. You also say he violently attacked a toy and is capable of attacking, especially when you take away his food?

    IMO, just from the posts your have posted, you are no where near experience enough to own a restricted breed.
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    I think dogs rip apart soft toys because it's fun.

    I also disagree with the "most professionals" and allowing dogs on couches etc. Allowing dogs to do things you don't want them to - is what most professionals would recommend avoiding. Couch or not has nothing to do with anything.

    These guys are professional and would disagree with OP. Then again I think OP should quit smoking then posting....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    I think dogs rip apart soft toys because it's fun.

    I also disagree with the "most professionals" and allowing dogs on couches etc. Allowing dogs to do things you don't want them to - is what most professionals would recommend avoiding. Couch or not has nothing to do with anything.

    These guys are professional and would disagree with OP. Then again I think OP should quit smoking then posting....
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    Yes dogs do destuff toys because it is fun. I have had several do it and they get plenty of exercise. I also disagree with the professionals about couches etc. and believe it is a red herring.

    Joining a shutzhund club would definitely be the way to go. I cant see why you want the hassle of a restricted breed when you can work with a well bred Rottie or GSD maybe from good working lines. A good shutzhaund club should also have some experienced dog handlers who you could learn a lot from. Teaching and handling an attack dog is serious business.

    As to your labrador, you sound like you could do with some help training him. I understand he had a rough start but the resouce guarding should really be addressed. As to walking on a lead there are various techniques, but you will need to start from the beginning. What have you already tried that has failed?

    As to smoking while posting, well I guess he is living up to his name.

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    Sure dogs destroy toys for fun, but this...

    I hear my dog growling the most aggressive growl he is capable, he was on the absolute verge of attacking. I go in, and he is locked into a stare with the teddy bear, perhaps I shouldn't have, but I decided to let him have it, and he immediately proceeded to rip it to pieces, violently shaking his head from side to side when it was in his mouth.

    I don't know if I would be encouraging this behaviour.
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    It's strange how dogs do this with certain objects.

    It is a bad idea to encourage it because you don't want random stuff ripped up in the house. Toilet paper - what toilet paper?

    Anyway I bought my parents a door mouse brick ie a brick covered in a mouse decorated like a character from beatrix potter - complete with little laura ashley dress, lacy bonnet and john lennon glasses. And we played challenge the dog with it. But we didn't let her eat it. But she snuck upstairs to the door mouse's new home and KILLED it. Very quietly.

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    Yes one of my dogs became fixated on a stuffed koala I had since a kid. She would stare intensely at it. She also managed to somehow get hold of it and tore it apart.

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