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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeTheDeedNotTheBreed View Post
    We have all done our research regarding BYB, Pet shops etc and we do not condone buying from these places Heidi. Where are you buying/getting your pup from?
    Judge, by the word 'all' did you mean all of you opposing this possible new puppy, or did you mean all on this forum? *confused thingy*

    Actually, I'm really confused...
    If you do not condone buying from BYB's then how are you going to sell and find homes for your lovely puppies? Have I missed something here?

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    Thank you Devil's Advocate - we are naming him Frankie.

    Love your avatar obviously that's your dog? Don't see those very often around here, magnificent animals! My hubby is from Tassie, I've only been there once, i'd take another holiday there over a Qld holiday anytime. Beautiful place

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    No, unfortunately it's not my dog. I should probably change my avatar to a photo of the puppy I have coming, IF I knew which one I'm getting!

    I've never lived with a Newfie before, but have been getting lots of tips from Newfienut on here.

    Ah yes, Tassie is great! Love it here, bugger the Qld heat - we were dying up there. Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heidi View Post
    Loading those sites now. Thank you TKay for pointing out that it is only some BYB's who are irresponsible. As the owner of two Burmese cats, both purchased from a registered breeder I am familiar with the term BYB.
    I did pass up on several puppies prior to choosing this one.
    The puppy we chosen comes from a home where the family have one dog and two cats. This is her first litter and I went in with a list of criteria which she passed all of. This is definitely no "puppy mill" and I'm really shocked to have to defend my choice here. If you want me up on my high horse, yes let's discuss those people who don't desex their pets and allow them to pump out litter after litter of puppies/kittens of god-knows-what breeding. Not that there is anything wrong with mixed breeds! I grew up with a mixed breed dog who I still miss 25 years later!
    Judge - the puppy is costing us $380. We still have to pay to have him desexed. He's coming vaccinated/wormed/microchipped and vet checked.
    I think that as long as there is demand for a particular breed of dog and the breeder is responsible then there is no problem with them selling their pups. Obviously I'm in the minority here, and good for the rest of you who can cough up the price being asked through registered breeders. My family can't. BUT we can offer this baby a loving home where he'll receive all necessary veterinary care and a quality balanced diet.

    It's so bloody obvious that this is the BYB'S 1st litter then, a responsible breeder will have the pups desexed before selling or offer cash back to owner once their dog is desexed & a responsible breeder would not deliberately cross breed either.


    Are the Sire & Dam clear of any hereditary diseases then, not that the BYB can tell you that their pups are free from diseases etc without both the Sire or Dam having been a papered / registered dog with ANKC.

    We are not asking that you buy a purebred from a reputable registered breeder, have you even though of adopting a pound or rescue dog??

    I for one will never support the likes of you who willing buy from a BYB & knowing full well what damage the BYB'S are doing to the dogs & the dog world in general. IMO you are only hindering the positive efforts made by dog lovers who are fighting to stop the bastard "BYB's" & you are supporting the BYB's & their nasty deeds buy buying pups from them.

    If only people such as yourself would visit pounds & shelters to the amount of dogs on death row, just maybe then you wouldn't buy or support a BYB
    Last edited by Aussie Floyd; 12-21-2009 at 07:08 PM.

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    You know "people like me" have visited shelters and in fact sponsor our local cat shelter and am good friends with the lady who runs the local dog rescue.

    So shelters/rescue agencies can guarantee me that a pet bought through them is free from any hereditary disease?

    "People like me" who cannot afford big bucks for a pet have to instead opt for a rescue animal?

    Whilst I will agree with you on the desexing point, I will also say that you are coming across as a real narrow minded person. You know nothing about me and should pull short of being so judgemental.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    Judge, by the word 'all' did you mean all of you opposing this possible new puppy, or did you mean all on this forum? *confused thingy*

    Actually, I'm really confused...
    If you do not condone buying from BYB's then how are you going to sell and find homes for your lovely puppies? Have I missed something here?
    Good point DA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heidi View Post
    You know "people like me" have visited shelters and in fact sponsor our local cat shelter and am good friends with the lady who runs the local dog rescue.

    So shelters/rescue agencies can guarantee me that a pet bought through them is free from any hereditary disease?

    "People like me" who cannot afford big bucks for a pet have to instead opt for a rescue animal?


    Whilst I will agree with you on the desexing point, I will also say that you are coming across as a real narrow minded person. You know nothing about me and should pull short of being so judgemental.
    No i'm not saying that rescue dogs are free from hereditary disease etc, but buying from a byb sure bloody cant guarantee that a dog will be free from hereditary diseases etc.

    By buying from a BYB people are supporting the disgusting habit of bad breeding & just adding to the numbers of unhealthy dogs out there & in pounds/shelters, in which is so heart breaking.

    & what is so wrong with buying a rescue dog considering the budget is tight etc ?????

    No i'm not narrow minded or judgmental except when it comes to people who support the BYB's by buying dogs from them knowing full well what disgusting deeds BYB's are doing to the dogs & the dog world..

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    I want to say something here Heidi. I am not sure I have introduced myself...I am Cleasanta and I have 2 registered Staffordshire Bull Terriers.

    A BYB is a BYB...no matter what way you look at it. When you agree to purchase a deliberate mating from cross/designer breeds...you are directly supporting that side of the pet industry...which is breeding unregistered dogs....dogs being sold to pet shops and worst of all...puppy mills.

    I understand you can not afford a purebred registered dog, but I find it quite horrible you are using that as an excuse to go ahead with this purchase. Sure...some people don't know what goes on behind the scenes of BYB and puppy mills and it is our responsibility (us who know what is happening) to educate them as to what they are getting.

    This breeder might be "nice"...she might "tick" all your boxes, but she is still breeding with cross bred dog where health testing is not done...temperament issues can not be back tracked etc etc.

    So I ask you...have the Sire and Dam been health tested for particular diseases associated with those two breeds?

    These are:

    Maltese: Aberrant cilia, which is a disease connected with the unusual position and / or direction of eye lashes. Then there is Hydrocephalus that involves the overdose and excess of cerebrospinal fluid pressure, something that is related to the mental processes. In addition to that, there is Hypoglycemia, which is characterized by a condition of low blood sugar. Other than these diseases, there is Pateller luxation, which takes place in Maltese dogs when the either or both of the kneecaps are located out of their original place. Furthermore there are a number of other diseases such as Monochidism (the condition of having only one testis) and Cryptorchidism ( marks the presence of undescended testes), deafness, blindness and malocclusion along with hypertrophic pylorica gastropathy, which involves the overgrowth of muscle in the stomach.

    Shih Tzu: The breed has a number of common health problems including: brachiocephalic syndrome (respiratory problems); eye and eyelid disorders such as cataracts, progressive retinal atrophy, KLS (dry-eye), entropion, ectropion, and eye lacerations; orthopedic problems such as patellar luxation and intervertebral disc disease; kidney problems; von Willebrands disease (mild bleeding disorder); and ear infections. Information on some of these genetic diseases can be found in our article Hereditary Diseases in Dogs. Prospective buyers should ask for the breeding parents Orthopedic Foundation for Animals (OFA) test results and also the Canine Eye Registry (CERF) recent ophthalmologists report for eye disorders.


    Registered breeders do a lot of work trying to eliminate or at least minimise these problems in their Maltese's and Shih Tzu's. BYB's just breed with their mediocre/less than average breeding stock and cross breeds for that matter!

    You might think that some members here seem arrogant and "nasty"...but no matter what way you look at it...you are supporting a BYB

    You are enabling her by buying one of her pups.

    I commend you for supporting a shelter, but also shake my head at the same time. You should know how many cross breeds are coming through the shelters then...bred from BYB...Puppy mills etc. I think the saddest part was when you stated you knew you were getting this pup from a BYB!

    I sincerely hope you will reconsider buying from this BYB...now that you are armed with information.

    Yes...there IS a problem with breeding particular dogs...even though as you say there might be a demand for that breed! It is mixing health issues...temperament issues etc etc.

    If it was me...I would rather be without a dog than get one from a BYB...because it is cheap!
    Last edited by Cleasanta; 12-21-2009 at 09:22 PM.

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    Welcome to the site Heidi.
    Wow some introduction by some, talk about forcing your beliefs onto others.
    Would i be mistaken in saying that BYB is not illegal, because you are certainly treating Heidi like she has committed a crime.
    I for one dont necessarily agree with BYB breeding but that it my personal choice and its gives me no right to force my personal choice onto others, this is still a free country after all.
    Heidi has clearly stated that the dog will be going to a lovely home, surely this is a better outcome than in alot a cases even taking into consideration registered purchases, which i am sure not all go to loving homes.
    At no time did she indentify the BYB so how much could any of you know so much about them from Heidi's introduction? I take it that its one glove fits all.
    Cleasanta, you summed it up in your last line......"If it were me"....... well sorry its not you, its Heidi and its her choice
    These sites are a great source of information and a lovely way to meet people who share a similar passion until the politics come into it and people assume because they believe something is wrong/cruel then everyone else should.
    Last edited by peter70; 12-22-2009 at 05:38 AM.

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    Welcome to the forum Heidi.

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