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    Hello,

    Thought I would join this forum to learn more about dogs. I've been doing a lot of research lately, as my husband and I pick up an Australian Yellow border collie on Wednesday! We're looking for training tips (she will be enrolled in puppy school, and then obedience school and later on agility and flyball) and also tips on feeding and such. I've owned one border collie in my past, and left her with my mother when I moved. And my family have not kept up her training so she has turned into a bit of a monster. So I want my pup to keep up with her training. I've attached some pictures, because she is an absolutely beautiful puppy. Her name is Mini (after the car, as I work for BMW and Mini).

    Mini 1.jpgMini 2.jpgMini 3.jpgMini 4.jpg

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    Hi Allie...

    Mini's a geat name for a B.C....Small, fast and can corner like no other !! Congrats on the new addition and welcome to the forum. You'll learn heaps at puppy school and it's a fantastic way to get her used to other dogs. Socialising them early is the best possible start. Good luck with it all.

    I feed Blackhawk kibble and love it but for now go with whatever your breeder recommends then as she gets a bit older change her diet very slowly to somthing that would suit a high energy working breed. Theres so much diffrent foods out there its mindboggling but steer clear of the cheap stuff and anything that comes in tins.


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    The breeder feeds Supercoat Puppy, and recommended Supercoat Active for when she is older. We have a little dog as well, a maltese. She only eats My Dog because she is a fussy spoilt little princess (because she belonged to the inlaws up until a year ago when we took her on).

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    Welcome AllieFay

    I never heard of a "yellow" border collie before. And it's not in the breed standard.

    I think what you have would be a red - a pale red border collie. Red ones are faster of course.

    Chocabloc Border Collies

    Lol about your maltese princess dog. If mydog doesn't suit you (doesn't it pong something special) - you can swap over very gradually to something that suits you better. There's heaps of different options. I make my own casserole out of 1kg mince or chopped steak (human grade - cos I've had bad experience with "pet grade"), brown rice, chopped veg, oats, and bran - which is a lot of filler but not as bad as the commercial tinned food and much cheaper too. Others here use mince (raw or cooked) and vegies (raw and cooked) combinations.

    I also feed black hawk holistic - was on nutro natural choice chicken and rice which was ok but the black hawk is similar and cheaper.

    There are heaps of dog foods out there. Mine loves super coat like teeangers love maccas.

    She's not that fussy really. She likes dynamic lifter too - tho it doesn't like her.

    You can do heaps of training with a border collie - they're always looking for a job to do, and the only way to truly wear them out - is to ask them to solve puzzles (eg what do I want you to do now?).

    My fave border collie and agility guru is Susan Garrett, I also like Greg and Laura Derrett - both of them run online courses if you get really into it, or Susan has a blog with heaps and heaps of useful ideas.

    Who's Shaping Who | Susan Garrett's Dog Training Blog
    Idea List for Shaping | Susan Garrett's Dog Training Blog

    But foundation wise - you probably want to do basic things like collar grab + treat, trading what you've got for what I've got (that's better than what you've got), geddit and give, leash stuff like being happy with a leash and collar, recall (fun games), and maybe retrieve - but beware of the obsessed border collie - make sure if you see any sign of obsession with the ball -that you use it as reward for doing other things you want or rewards for even more trick training.

    My dog is not that obsessed about fetch but when she's on - I make her work for me before I throw the ball for her. Sit, stand, drop, pretty (begging), speak, shake hands, roll over, combinations of previous, finish (go into heel positions) (other) side (heel on the other side etc.

    If you want to do agility with her later - make sure you do all the heel work on both sides from when she's small.

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    I've heard them called tan, white and australian yellow before. White seems to be what breeders call her, but she is not all white, she is a sort of blond colour. She does look like a light red though. She comes from a farm anyway, not a breeder. But thankfully she has had all her tests done to check hips and vision and such. She has had her first vaccination. She will be 8 weeks old on Wednesday when I pick her up, and will be going straight into the vet to have her second needle and micochipped. Once she is fully vaccinated she will be starting Puppy school, which is basically just socializing her. And then desexing and obedience.

    We've tried everything with our maltese (Tiger). She will starve herself before eating anything other than my dog. And it has to be out of the little tins, not the big tins. She got so skinny when we tried gradually changing her over to other foods that the vet told us to stop it. So we just feed her My Dog. Which is over priced and not that great in nutrition. But she is a snobby little dog. I tend not to like little dogs. Yappy and bity. I've grown up with kelpies, collies and shepherds.

    I'll check out the Black Hawk. My vet is a hollistic vet, so he may have a good idea of where to get it.

    I'll check out those dog training links. Always looking for reading material.

    What is the collar grab? I've taught recall, walking to heel, tricks and all that before with my last border collie. My mums border collie is obsessed with fetch. To the point where you HAVE to throw the ball even when you are vacuuming or sitting in the outdoor spa. Even if you are sitting watching tv, you have to be throwing the ball! She will go until she is so physically exhausted she will colapse with the ball in her mouth. But if you don't throw it, she will bark to high heaven and wake the entire neighbourhood. Thats is not something I want my BC doing!

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    collar grab is where you grab your dog's collar, and then give them a treat. You might want to pair this with their name but you don't have to. As a puppy - you could be saying your dog's name and giving her a treat too. As a separate exercise.

    If a dog is a bit head shy, you work on the edge of that, put a lead and collar on, and then touch the lead and treat, gradually working down the lead until you're touching the collar.

    Each session should be about 5 repeats / attempts (as the gym instructors say) - and then have a play break before you run another set of 5 attempts. Keep it fun like a game.

    Treats when you start out with a zero attention span puppy - have to be really really yummy and the dog has to be a bit hungry. So before dinner / meal time is a great time for games.

    With a fetch obsessed dog - you can use the fetch to build a really excellent sit stay or down stay, ie the dog has to hold a sit before you will throw the ball. You start off close, and with really short stays (half a second) and then very slowly build up. I built my sit stays and down stays - in front of my dog's dinner. So she can do a 3 minute stay in front of her dinner if I ask her to. In fact she's not allowed to have her dinner until I give her "the word". And when we go to class and I ask for a sit or down-stay she does them with her tail wagging. Cracks me up. She's thinking of dinner.

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    What situations can the collar grab be used in?

    I've gone shopping today and got all my puppy supplies. Food and puppy milk, collar, lead, harness, car seat belt clip, toys (chewy bone, balls, soft toys, she won't be aloud to play tug as I don't like big dogs learning that game). Food bowls, doggy bed, puppy pads. I don't think I have forgotten anything.

    I bought our maltese Tiger a dog bed, because she has been aloud to sleep on the couch. But I don't want new puppy on the couch so Tiger has been kicked off too. Thankfully she loves her new doggy bed and is very happily asleep on it right now.

    Maggi, my mums collie, she will sit and wait for her food for hours if you tell her. She is really good with that. But the ball is an obsession for her. Drives us insane when we visit for a few days. Maggi is also a very vicious border collie. She would kill any dog or child that went near her. So my mum had to put up high fences and dangerous dog signs. She has been very dominant since she was a pup. Even in puppy school she would stand over the other puppies, even if they were bigger than her.

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    Hello & welcome!

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    What situations can the collar grab be used in?
    Collar grab - any situation where you want to catch your dog (so wish I'd done this with my dog when she was a puppy cos her fave game then was "chase the dog". ARGH.

    Also can be used to build excitement for training. That's when you've done it so many times with great treats that the dog just feels great when you reach for and grab her collar. And then you can transfer that enjoyment to other things you might want her to do.

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