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    I haven't read all the replies but can back up what Kev has said re: what goes into dry commercial dog foods, I have a very good friend who has done years of research on dry foods and what they are made of, she has come back with the same thing:- dead, dying and diseased animals, anything they can't use in human food (this is what they call By-products ie: chicken by-products), they DO in fact put euthanised animals straight into the mix with the euthanasia drug in their system, in fact there has been dogs who have lived their entire life on dry food who have gone to be euthanised and not passed on due to an immunity in their system from all the euthanasia drug in the food they eat.

    If you feed your dog a dry food with fish in it you should be bloody careful as they use ethoxyquin as a preservative, ethoxiquin is a known carcinogen and is used in pesticides and is banned from human grade food.

    The commercial dog food industry is disgusting.

    And yes for whoever asks this includes Science Diet, Royal Canin, Optimum etc etc, in fact the more expensive brands tend to be worse off.

    This is a great site to see what is actually in your dogs food, it has no affiliations to any dog food companies and is run by the Boxer Club of America.
    Dog Food Analysis - Reviews of kibble

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    Euthanised pets?
    In dog food?


    Sorry...I just dont buy that.
    ( Maybe I cant ? )

    edit to add ; so if we listen to this....erm...person...that started the thread, we should not feed dry food at all? So we're advising new pet owners etc to NOT feed dry whatsoever ?
    I think that is rather foolish and potentialy detrimental to many pets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keira & Phoenix View Post
    I haven't read all the replies but can back up what Kev has said re: what goes into dry commercial dog foods, I have a very good friend who has done years of research on dry foods and what they are made of, she has come back with the same thing:- dead, dying and diseased animals, anything they can't use in human food (this is what they call By-products ie: chicken by-products), they DO in fact put euthanised animals straight into the mix with the euthanasia drug in their system, in fact there has been dogs who have lived their entire life on dry food who have gone to be euthanised and not passed on due to an immunity in their system from all the euthanasia drug in the food they eat.

    If you feed your dog a dry food with fish in it you should be bloody careful as they use ethoxyquin as a preservative, ethoxiquin is a known carcinogen and is used in pesticides and is banned from human grade food.

    The commercial dog food industry is disgusting.

    And yes for whoever asks this includes Science Diet, Royal Canin, Optimum etc etc, in fact the more expensive brands tend to be worse off.

    This is a great site to see what is actually in your dogs food, it has no affiliations to any dog food companies and is run by the Boxer Club of America.
    Dog Food Analysis - Reviews of kibble
    They only use the ingredients as listed on the bag? No independent analysis...

    And regarding the euthanised animals, I really will not just take that as truth either until it is backed up by a reliable source.

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    I think DWK is still a teenager - he still thinks he knows everything. I have pushed my ignore button for the first time.
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    Look I was just stating what I know to be fact and proving that what Kev said was not in fact just made up by himself, that I have the same information . You guys can take it however you want and you guys can feed whatever you want.

    Yes Choppa I would advice (and I do) completely against feeding dry food, any dry food, I am unsure how you think that is detrimental to any dog. If you feed a healthy balanced raw diet then your dog is 100 times better off.

    They only use the ingredients as listed on the bag? No independent analysis...
    You need to scroll down further Beloz.

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    EPA Document Proves Euthanized Dogs and Cats are Rendered

    Rendering plants, which boil down dead animal carcasses from slaughterhouses into fats and proteins, sell cheap material that often ends up in pet food. The "meat" in your cat's kibbles could be any kind: there's no law against even using rendered material from cats and dogs in pet food. Plants can mix in anything from road kill to supermarket deli meats, and investigations by KMOV-TV in St. Louis and the Los Angeles Times have suggested that pets killed in animal shelters just might make it into the slop. The Pet Food Institute, whose members create most of the dog and cat food sold in the U.S., told the Times that pets are not allowed in their products. But the FDA has admitted to finding "very, very low levels" of sodium pentobarbital — the chemical used to euthanize animals — in some brands of dog food. Wayne Pacelle, President of the Humane Society of the U.S. said the allegations need more scrutiny. "The pet food industry is not the most transparent of industries and it has been really difficult for the public to obtain information," he says.
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    What mysterious "meat byproducts" really are
    Let's start with what usually appears as the protein source and the primary ingredient in pet food: Meat byproducts or meat meal. Both are euphemisms for the parts of animals that wouldn't be considered meat by any smart consumer. The well-known phrase "meat byproducts" is a misnomer since these byproducts contain little, if any, meat. These are the parts of the animal left over after the meat has been stripped away from the bone. "Chicken by-products include head, feet, entrails, lungs, spleen, kidneys, brain, liver, stomach, bones, blood, intestines, and any other part of the carcass not fit for human consumption," writes Henry Pasternak in Healing Animals with Nature's Cures.

    Meat meal can contain the boiled down flesh of animals we would find unacceptable for consumption. This can include zoo animals, road kill, and 4-D (dead, diseased, disabled, dying) livestock. Most shockingly, this also can include dogs and cats. That's right, your pets could be cannibals. Fast Food Nation author Eric Schlosser writes, "Although leading American manufacturers promise never to put rendered pets into their pet food, it is still legal to do so. A Canadian company, Sanimal Inc., was putting 40,000 pounds of dead dogs and dead cats into its dog and cat food every week, until discontinuing the practice in June 2001. "This food is healthy and good," said the company's vice president of procurement, responding to critics, ''but some people don't like to see meat meal that contains any pets."

    How roadkill ends up in Fido's food bowl
    The process that turns these animals and animal parts into pet food is also disgusting. After all, it takes a lot to turn roadkill into something owners feel good about pouring into their pets' bowls. Ann M. Martin describes the process in Food Pets Die For: "At the rendering plant a machine slowly grinds the entire mess in huge vats. Then this product is cooked at temperatures between 220 degrees Fahrenheit and 270 degrees Fahrenheit for 20 minutes to one hour. The mixture is centrifuged (spun at a high speed) and the grease (or tallow) rises to the top and it is removed from the mixture. The grease becomes the source of animal fat in most pet foods. Oftentimes, when you open a standard can of dog food, you will see a top layer of fat. The centrifuged product is the source of that fat, which is meant to entice a hungry dog or cat. After the grease is removed in the rendering process, the remaining material is dried. Meat meal, and meat and bone meal are the end product of this process. This dried material is usually found in dry pet food."

    Chemical dangers lurk in commercial pet food
    Rendering practices aren't just gross; they're also dangerous for your pets. The chemicals used to euthanize zoo animals, dogs and cats can survive the cooking process, which means these chemicals end up in pet food, and ultimately, in your pet. Martin writes, "Euthanized cats and dogs often end up in rendering vats along with other questionable material to make meat meal, and meat and bone meal. This can be problematic because sodium pentobarbital can withstand the heat from rendering. For years, some veterinarians and animal advocates have known about the potential danger of sodium pentobarbital residue in commercial pet food, yet the danger has not been alleviated." In short, that means the poisons designed to kill pets are the same ones being fed to them.

    Now that you know pet food manufacturers will seemingly go to any length to fill their foods with the cheapest sources of protein they can find, you probably won't be surprised to find out that the other ingredients in pet foods aren't much better. Cheap grain fillers, cellulose to bulk up the food, preservatives and poorly monitored vitamin and mineral supplements round out the recipe. In Healing Pets with Nature's Miracle Cures, Henry Pasternak writes, "Remember, pet foods are primarily processed, grain-based diets. These foods are 'fortified' with synthetic B vitamins, which can cause a subclinical B vitamin deficiency." Martin mentions in Food Pets Die For that one bag of dog food was overloaded with so much zinc that she had to take her dog to the vet because he became ill. She took the bag of food to an independent lab to verify that the zinc content of the food was 20 times the recommended daily allowance for dogs.

    Preservatives in dog and cat foods keep the foods seemingly fresh for long periods of time: "Unfortunately, harmful chemical preservatives and other artificial additives are the norm in most pet foods. Some are intentionally added by the manufacturer, while others come from the herbicides, insecticides, and pesticides used by farmers to boost crop yields," Pasternak writes. While some pet food companies have decided to use less harmful preservatives and natural preservatives, most pet food companies don't find these ingredients to be cost effective.

    So what should you do with this information? Many pet owners are discovering there are more natural alternatives to commercial pet food. Natural health food stores usually stock a few varieties of organic or all-natural pet foods. There are other owners who go even further and prepare their pets' foods from real, whole ingredients. Though this might not be for everyone, some owners say it's worth the peace of mind, and it helps them feel closer to their animal companions. Be aware though, that once your pet finds out what real, whole foods take like, they may not want to go back: "I used to feed my cat canned or dry pet food, but now I prepare her food from fresh ingredients. She thrives on raw meat," writes Debra Lynn Dadd in Home Safe Home. "She will eat canned or dry food if it is a natural brand, but if I give her pet food from the supermarket, she paws around it like she's trying to cover up something in her litter box."
    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/012647.html#ixzz1xX3i8ooj
    Last edited by Keira & Phoenix; 06-12-2012 at 08:53 AM.

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    You can stick your head in the sand but the evidence of the disgusting things that these companies put in pet food is right there for everyone to see. All you have to do is a little bit of research, and if your pets are important to you, you would do the research.

    I won't even start on the animal testing these companies do.

    I think it is extremely naive to think these companies are actually doing the right thing for your pet when there are no laws against them sticking in whatever they want, and they will stick in whatever they want because it is cheaper then doing it the right way.

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    Who cares? The dogs eat it, they enjoy it.

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    But there is still no hard evidence that there are , indeed,euthanised pets used . There are some musings and assumptions...no direct hard evidence. Road kill for example is just totaly unecinomical by a large companies point of view.Shelters trucking bodies to pet food factories? Just dont see it. Just because it isnt illegal doesn't make it so?
    Certainly no hard evidence to back up that some pets do not respond to lethal injection because of a tolerance build up caused directly from pet food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keira & Phoenix View Post
    You can stick your head in the sand but the evidence of the disgusting things that these companies put in pet food is right there for everyone to see. All you have to do is a little bit of research, and if your pets are important to you, you would do the research.

    I won't even start on the animal testing these companies do.

    I think it is extremely naive to think these companies are actually doing the right thing for your pet when there are no laws against them sticking in whatever they want, and they will stick in whatever they want because it is cheaper then doing it the right way.
    Who said anything about sticking my head in the sand? Sheesh Louise. I just don't believe every spectacular rumour that does the rounds without some reliable sources to back this up. Only the first article you posted quotes an official EPA document that proves that it is not illegal. None of them actually offer any proof for their claim that dog and cat carcasses are delivered to processing plants. Which doesn't mean it isn't true, but without evidence it still is just a rumour. You can call me naive all you want, I think it is equally naive to believe some anti big business, natural only advocates website without any evidence.
    Last edited by Beloz; 06-12-2012 at 10:00 AM.

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