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    75 breeding dogs, I was close, I knew it was around 70. With 6 staff.
    So that's 12.5 dogs per staff member.
    So that means in a working day (8 hours) each dog receives less than an hour one-on one human interaction. Assuming these "STAFF" are hired to play with the dogs and not do any cleaning/bookwork/gophering.

    Guess at least new owners won't have problems with separation anxiety, the pups don't receive enough interaction for it to effect them.

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    Thank you for that link beloz, now i know who they are i can cause some waves.

    One of there arguments are dogs are the same as sheep, cows, fish etc...........really! Dogs are domestic pets, they thrive on interaction with humans, does anyone really believe that a dog can be bred commercially as with cows and sheep?
    And the local shelter has to deal with the "damaged" cast off's from ex breeders..........breaks my heart, it really does!

    I have seen and heard of many ANKC registered businesses no different to this one except they have the benefit of the misguided assumption that ANKC registered businesses can have 40 breeders, pumping out 50 litters a year and still be ethical under the ANKC banner, keeping in mind even ANKC registered breeders are under NO OBLIGATION to health test breeding or show animals...why is this?
    I despise any industry that supports the suffering of animals just because its a business or a sport, and our government seems to believe that any amount of suffering is ok where industry and business profit and people are employed. We are indeed a selfish and ugly
    species.

    The message that sends the public, is animals pain, loneliness and there suffering is a neccessary by product of profit, or personal gain.
    And with 70 dogs, there is a massive profit at stake, and they will protect it any way they can.

    If the authorities wont act, we need a Sea Shepherd type group to just "fix it", close them down and stop them breeding, whatever it takes.
    If EVERY dog in your care is not happy healthy and enjoying life outside of a cage...you have no right to own a dog.
    It truely is disgraceful that there arecold hearted people like this amongst us, sanctioned by groups and government.
    The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crested_Love View Post
    75 breeding dogs, I was close, I knew it was around 70. With 6 staff.
    So that's 12.5 dogs per staff member.
    So that means in a working day (8 hours) each dog receives less than an hour one-on one human interaction. Assuming these "STAFF" are hired to play with the dogs and not do any cleaning/bookwork/gophering.

    Guess at least new owners won't have problems with separation anxiety, the pups don't receive enough interaction for it to effect them.
    I would think they spend most of their times feeding the dogs and cleaning out kennels and such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crested_Love View Post
    75 breeding dogs, I was close, I knew it was around 70. With 6 staff.
    So that's 12.5 dogs per staff member.
    So that means in a working day (8 hours) each dog receives less than an hour one-on one human interaction. Assuming these "STAFF" are hired to play with the dogs and not do any cleaning/bookwork/gophering.

    Guess at least new owners won't have problems with separation anxiety, the pups don't receive enough interaction for it to effect them.
    My guess is they are hired to clean and feed, no one without a heart will pay wages to "play", and we assuming here they are fulltime? Maybe they are just hired by the hour? It really makes me angry...
    The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated.
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    Whats wrong with using a clam shell for whelping box?

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    I don't know how people get away with the puppy farm thing..
    Before I got my RagDoll cats I was going to buy one from my local pet store..
    The manager slipped the phone number of the breeder to me and I made contact ect ...
    anyway to cut a long story short, the pet shop owner told me that people whom breed
    and are not registered as breeders can cop a fine..
    I wonder what she was on about ????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lala View Post
    Whats wrong with using a clam shell for whelping box?
    Seems very dangerous to me. Slipperly surface with rounded edges. Blankets would get balled in the center and there is high risk of pups being suffocated. Can't install pig rails.
    There's a reason whelping boxes are designed the way they are.

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    Never ceases to amaze me that people will pay that amount of money for what is basically a mutt - and - still not do their basic homework on it !

    If I was about to spend that amount of money on a pup, you can bet that I would want to know everything I can about the pup and it's breeding. Maybe I am just old-fashioned - but $1,700 is a lot of money - even being discounted by $500 !

    To add insult to injury in your example Crested_Love, your neighbour is also purchasing a pup that is deformed and has health problems and will have continual health problems in the future - with a severe under-bite ! So to me this goes against consumer legislation - under the defective goods heading.

    Is your neighbour aware of the future health problems this pup may/will suffer ?
    Last edited by RileyJ; 05-28-2012 at 06:15 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RileyJ View Post
    Never ceases to amaze me that people will pay that amount of money for what is basically a mutt - and - still not do their basic homework on it !

    If I was about to spend that amount of money on a pup, you can bet that I wouldl want to know everything I can about the pup and it's breeding. Maybe I am just old-fashioned - but $1,700 is a lot of money - even being discounted by $500 !

    To add insult to injury in your example Crested_Love, your neighbour is also purchasing a pup that is deformed and has health problems and will have continual health problems in the future - with a severe under-bite ! So to me this goes against consumer legislation - under the defective goods heading.

    Is your neighbour aware of the future health problems this pup may/will suffer ?
    The way I look at it Riley, $1,700 is an over the top amount of money for any dog, whether pure bred or cross bred, it cost the same money to properly care for a dog, so one... should never cost more than another, if they all have vaccs, worming, health checks/tests, nutricious food, etc.
    And if you do take every possible care to ensure your dog and puppies are 100% healthy and happy, you know you are selling a healthy pup and probably deserve the profit made.

    But when these poor souls are living miserable lives and They are obviousley spending half the money as good breeders and charging more for puppies?

    Are there breeders health checked, do you know if your going to get a healthy pup?

    That little deformed pup should have been free to the best home, with future healthcare paid for by the breeder, because thats the responsibility you take when you breed, but who ever buys it, will possibly be stuck with future healthcare costs after paying 1,200...really what numbnuts would do that?

    Are people really that thick? They must be, apparantly there are enough stupid people out the to keep them in business.
    The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RileyJ View Post
    Never ceases to amaze me that people will pay that amount of money for what is basically a mutt - and - still not do their basic homework on it !

    If I was about to spend that amount of money on a pup, you can bet that I wouldl want to know everything I can about the pup and it's breeding. Maybe I am just old-fashioned - but $1,700 is a lot of money - even being discounted by $500 !

    To add insult to injury in your example Crested_Love, your neighbour is also purchasing a pup that is deformed and has health problems and will have continual health problems in the future - with a severe under-bite ! So to me this goes against consumer legislation - under the defective goods heading.

    Is your neighbour aware of the future health problems this pup may/will suffer ?
    He didn't know until my mum told him. The pup may not have problems later in life, but there's an equally good change it might as well. If the jaw gets worse as it grows the poor pup may end up not even being able to eat.
    The neighbors answer... "Oh well, we'll just get it fixed".

    Ummm yeah, you got about $10,000 to fly the pup to the nearest dental expert in Victoria to have the surgry done? that was well worth the $500 discount. And agreeing to the discount means the breeder gets off scott-free because it admitted the pup had problems and the new owners agreed to the discount.

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