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    I hate smacking Oskar, I have done occasionally, most recently yesterday for the chook incident, because the usual spray of water wasn't working. But usually that's all it takes to discipline him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean View Post
    I must admit to smacking Mojo over the head a few times when he had a go at the neighbours kid when he was all drugged up and just got home after his OP. It was so unlike him and pretty aggresive so without even thinking i gave him a few good slaps. It pulled him up pretty quickly and he hated every second of it. Within 20 seconds though it was like nothing had happened and he was happy as larry. I did feel bad afterwards but i didnt want him thinking it was OK to do that again.
    When i came home to find his matress shredded yesterday i just stared at him and said nothing....it drove him nuts and he started to groan and moan and rub against me which i just ignored. He hated that worse than a smack....LOL.
    I like the OI !!!!! aswell. Even the kids freeze when i yell that at the dog.
    HAHA, I use "OI!! !!! " at the dog and the kids lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tam View Post
    I seem to yell oi a lot too lol! Boss loves taking the kids toys from their rooms. He'll walk across the lounge room with one & i'll say 'oi' so he keeps walking like he wasn't doing anything naughty but drops it. Happens daily lol. Sneaky baby!
    Oskar is bad with the kids toys, and they whinge, I tell them, "well thats why I tell you to pick up your toys" he is hell sneaky as well, sometimes raiding their toybox for a new chew toy lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuri_89 View Post
    If i catch them weeing in the house, and the door is open (doesn't really happen that often, but i might see it once in a blue moon) i will rub their nose in it, i've always done that, with both my cats and my dogs since forever! I reckon it works, they know what they've done because - well, you've just shoved their face in it!
    this is a bit old school. They really don't understand why you're rubbing their nose in it or what they're supposed to be doing instead. Would you toilet train a 2 year old child this way? No? It doesn't work with dogs either.

    The guilty look dogs do is an appeasement gesture. They don't know why you're upset or what they're supposed to do instead.

    I lost the dog lead on the beach last weekend and I got all frazzled and upset - I didn't have a lot of time to look for it and you should have seen the carry on from Frosty - it was exactly like she thought it was her fault I was upset... and she went in to cling on mode and all guilty please forgive me look. And she hadn't done anything wrong.

    We did find it and I was happy and Frosty was overjoyed and we played tug with it all the way back to the car...

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    rewarding a dog for what you do want is much faster way to train anything than punishing it for what you don't want.

    I think Frosty made exactly two pee mistakes in the house, and only when the door was shut and I didn't notice her put her nose down and start sniffing. And only one poo mistake - I was out and she had an upset tummy and she did it by the back door. All toilet accidents are the owner's fault - in my opinion, not the dog's, so why punish the dog?

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    Never ever ever hit my dog. Nor try to intimidate them by simulating the experience. Doglets don't need violence in their lives, they don't understand it.

    If I catch either Rosie or Mum's dog in the act of something inappropriate, I just ask "WHAT are you doing?" with a hard emphasis on the "what", and that is more than enough to stop them in their tracks. It helps that I am also the top of the pecking order at my house!

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    Well if Sammy was munching on a child I'd be pretty ticked off, though you do see some annoying children these days...

    I whack Sammy all the time - he loves it. We have one of THOSE relationships.

    No in all seriousness, I manage Sammy with a combination of rewards + encouragement for what I do like and punishment for what I don't like - carrot and stick method if you like. I do this because I have found that ignoring his bad behaviour doesn't make it stop. If he's having fun eating my Kate Spade $600 heels, well me ignoring him isn't going to make it that much less fun. If throw his faux leather tug past him whilst he's choosing my heels, well again, he knows he's onto the real thing and isn't going to be fooled into trading for inferior products. Sammy has an attitude problem sometimes with other dogs too. Sammy would like to have the respect of all the other dogs he meets, if you have ever seen him you might have noticed that his walk embodies peacock qualities in that it's actually more of a strut. 99% of the dogs he meets, there are no issues because the other dog is very happy to respect Sammy and often Sammy ends up with a little possé of followers if we go to dog parks or something. But, should Sammy come across another dog like himself, he would like to work out who is the superior pooch. Fortunately Sammy deems himself superior to all smaller dogs with or without their acknowledgement, and will ignore them if they try to hump or even attack him (see my youtube channel for an example of this). But with larger dogs he pays attention. And obviously this can result in unacceptable consequences. So I have to intervene. I do this early on in the process and just tell him "don't even think about it" - that is almost always enough so long as the other dog has an owner in the picture. These days I have him trained to the point where I can be holding a Hungarian Viszla by the harness who is growling, hackles up trying to get to Sammy and just tell Sammy to leave it and he will until the other owner comes to collect his unruly hound (actual example).

    My punishments do include physical corrections, I do smack him from time to time and I poke him. If you have ever seen Sammy and I together, you would have been able to see instantly that he's not scared of me, we just have an understanding. He is a large dog and he thinks highly of himself, I love that about him and don't want to change it. But I do need him to understand that I have the final say. I need that because I want to be able to take him everywhere.

    I totally agree with the other posters who have said you should never try to make your dog fear you. I have never even come close to hurting Sammy, my physical reprimands are just demonstrations so that there's no possible way the message of my absolute disapproval can be lost in translation. 95%+ of my corrections would be purely verbal, and this is increasing as he grows older because he now knows that when I say no, it means I will stop him from doing what he's doing if he doesn't stop himself.

    I also disagree that dogs don't know that they have done something wrong. Sammy wasn't toilet trained until he was like 6 months old. Now he picked up the concept in 2 days - I'm always told by dog training clubs how 'lucky' I am to have such a clever dog. But I believe Sammy felt that yeah, peeing outside was a great idea if I was around because he would then get praise and maybe even treats. However, if I wasn't around, well why not just pee inside? So much more convenient than walking all the way outside... There was nothing to be gained. Baby Dobermans don't do baby sized pees - when he peed it was like a swimming pool and you could go through a whole roll of paper towels trying to clean it up so it was kind of difficult to stay positive about it. So one day I found a recently added water feature, and I told him off. I probably did it maybe 3 times? And since then he hasn't had a single accident inside any house we've stayed in (and we've stayed in a lot - even ones where the resident dogs aren't toilet trained and pee inside).

    You will all know your dogs better than anyone else though and they're all individuals so you have to do what works. I'm very happy with the relationship I have with Sammy and I do attribute part of his awesomeness to the fact that although he is currently cuddled next to me on the couch he has always had strong boundaries in place that he knows will be enforced.

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    I am a non-smacker too...My dogs are very sensitive, just a look and I too use "oi"....."excuse me" is often used when they are noisy. Just their name is often enough........If they get excited barking i will say "enough", it seems to work.

    Amazingly enough when our dogs are running at the fence to bark at Horses riding by or bikes....I will use our stock-whip and they run at me and sit...never know why, I have never touched them with it and i always tell them how awesome they are when they get there. There is absolutely no fear and they even seem to be in a rush to get there to the sit. If we have treats with us they get those, or we will even "yes" them and go to the fridge for treats.

    We use out stock-whip a lot with our horses and our horses come at the same sound, they expect their feed....So maybe the dogs have picked it up and it has gone over the years from dog to dog (as they add to our family). We first had out Blue heelers come to it, when we were working them. Even timid Luke never thinks of it as a reprimand, but just a re-call

    I do time-out and ignore.....My dogs hate the ignore and like Mojo try to get my attention.....PLEASE......

    I will never reprimand a dog for mistakes, I would think their was a reason. I might yell "outside, outside, Outside", as we teach "outside" and "inside".

    When we train, if they make mistakes or do not do something I just say "rubbbish"..They know it means a no reward and that I will ask for a repeat.

    I have boundaries too, but i do not seem to have to raise my voice or hit my dogs....having always had at least four large dog, I cannot allow them to be aggressive noisy or pushy........

    The only time we get physical with our dogs is if we had the dog fights with Annabelle....but even than, we never yelled or screamed, just did what we had to to and got them apart. After the event we would calm them, never tell them off and work at obedience side by side for quite some time. I think the human yelling often makes things worse. CAlmness has a great effect on dogs behaviour.

    I also use a lot of Jan Fennel techniques....I like her stuff and it has a great effect on dog behaviour.

    For example we had a lady with a small and white fluffy arrive at the kennel Club three weeks ago..yapping growling, aggressive....Owner yelling, no, smacking dog. We had a long chat, no training. I just explained some Jan Fennel behaviour stuff to her.........Rules of the household, so easy......That little dog now comes and even though not friendly, it now does not yap, the owner does not yell. Next week i will put them in my Beginner class. We will keep the peace hopefully
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    this is a bit old school. They really don't understand why you're rubbing their nose in it or what they're supposed to be doing instead. Would you toilet train a 2 year old child this way? No? It doesn't work with dogs either.

    The guilty look dogs do is an appeasement gesture. They don't know why you're upset or what they're supposed to do instead.

    I lost the dog lead on the beach last weekend and I got all frazzled and upset - I didn't have a lot of time to look for it and you should have seen the carry on from Frosty - it was exactly like she thought it was her fault I was upset... and she went in to cling on mode and all guilty please forgive me look. And she hadn't done anything wrong.

    We did find it and I was happy and Frosty was overjoyed and we played tug with it all the way back to the car...

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    rewarding a dog for what you do want is much faster way to train anything than punishing it for what you don't want.

    I think Frosty made exactly two pee mistakes in the house, and only when the door was shut and I didn't notice her put her nose down and start sniffing. And only one poo mistake - I was out and she had an upset tummy and she did it by the back door. All toilet accidents are the owner's fault - in my opinion, not the dog's, so why punish the dog?
    Yeah might be old school since it's a technique i copied from my grandfather - but it has work thus far will all my animals, they have all been toilet trained this way 'you don't like your face rubbed in your piss, then you will not urinate in my house' i believe they do understand, they're all house trained so it must work.

    It's different if the doors are closed and they are unable to get outside - this is my fault. But there is no excuse when the door is open.

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    Kuri; I do find it sad and wrong you rub your dogs nose in it's pee. There are better ways. I think it's lazy and nasty to rub their noses in it. Also, your dogs don't know what they did something wrong when you get home and they look guilty. They just know your angry because of the vibe your giving off, they don't know it's because they chewed/wrecked something.

    I have smacked my dogs before but it was mostly a reaction but thats months and months ago now and it was very rare. I don't like hitting my dogs, especially when there is a better way to teach them. I also have to be super careful with Serenity (my fearful girl) because of her issues. I need to stay positive. The worst I do is lift my arm up and they know to stop or they will be in trouble (not in trouble as being hit).

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    I also yell OI and AH a lot to stop a behaviour. But when they are babies that doesnt always work.

    I NEVER smack to scare or hurt....and I never fake a smack either. As I said, it is really just a short sharp slap on th ebum to give them a fright. It doesnt hurt them. My dogs dont cringe if you raise ya hand or anything. And I could probably count the no of smacks they have both had on one hand. Its just a useful tool sometimes if something else isnt working, especially when they are potentially in danger, i.e. chewing electrical cables.

    Kuri, I agree with the others. Rubbin their nose in it only teaches them that its not very nice to have wees up ya nose. It teaches them the piss on the ground is yucky, but not the actual act. Youre guys arent toilet trained because you rubbed their noses in it lol....they are trained coz you obviously put effort in in other ways,

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