Cheers. I was hoping I hadn't come across as being critical of people's choices. Just concerned about them getting a quality pet that doesn't break their heart.
My advice... dont get one.
I have met SOOOOOOO many hyperactive poodle x's. Their coats are often nightmares (worse than a pure poodle) and the breeders do not get them used to grooming early enough. You will also have immense trouble finding a "breeder" of crossbred dogs who actually do all the health testing required.
I am biased, I own a standard poodle and he is the best dog in the world.
His breeder started grooming him at 4 weeks of age and he is great with grooming. He has a NORMAL poodle coat which does not shed, not a mixture of a non shedding/shedding coat like you often get in the poodle x's.
He is incredibly intelligent, quiet, and is happy to laze around if thats what I want to do, but he is also happy to be active when I want to be.
If you let their coat grow out, they look like a fluffy dog, not a poodle anyway and no one will tell the difference (in terms of general public). If you had a pure poodle and let it grow shaggy, I can guarantee you, most people would still ask what crossbreed it is.
I also think the majority of people underestimate how much work it is to keep a long coat in good condition. Id say 95% of the poodle x's I get in at work (vet clinic) are matted/knotty messes because the owners did not understand the grooming required for a long coated dog. It is alot of work regardless of whether it is a pure poodle or poodle cross, as I said before tho, I have found the poodle x's coats much worse to keep in good condition than a pure poodles coat.
I am very passionate about this subject, because I dont understand why people go for these crosses when a poodle is a better suited breed for the majority of them. My boy comes to work and has changed MANY peoples minds about poodles. I have one lady who adores him so much she is getting her own poodle (and her last dog was a lab x poodle) and will just keep its face furry (as she doesnt like the shaved look, which is fine!)
Please rethink your approach to getting a dog, you do not know what you are getting with a crossbreed dog (in terms of coat type, size, temperament, looks, etc) Also unless you find a one in a thousand breeder, you will probably be supporting either a puppyfarmer or byb'er.
Edit: I do not mean to offend the OP at all, I just get so sick of ppl getting poodle x's and they dont meet their expectations, that I do feel it is my job to try and help people understand ALL the ins and outs of getting a poodle x rather than just a poodle.
hi, thanks everyone and cavelierqld for your responses. yes i do want a spoodle or mini labradoodle and not pure poodle. im not disagreeing with what pure breeds offer, i just like these dogs. so back to the thread please. i was heading more for a spoodle. they seem to be more 'available'. anybody know any good breeders of either? thanks
But the point is... there is so much VARIATION within "these dogs". If your looking for a fluffy looking dog, your going to be disappointed if you end up with a wiry hair coat with a scruffy looking dog. If your after a med size dog, your going to be disappointed with a 30+kg dog (which absoloutely happens). If you want the easy going, laid back temperament, your going to be sorely disappointed if you get the extreme high energy/puppy like behavior of a lab or spaniel.
You need to work out what attributes you want in your dog, then give yourself the best chance of getting it. You are not doing that by buying a crossbred dog.
So many people give up their dog when it hurts the teen months as they realise the dog is completely *not* what they wanted.
Please understand, there is so much variation in the "type" that you may not get what you want at all.
In regards to breeders, no one will recommend one because the people breeding these "spoodles" are puppy farmers or bybers who do not do the right thing by their dogs. This includes: not doing appropriate health testing on the parents, not socialising the puppies properly/enough, not breeding together appropiate dogs in terms of structure/attributes, do not worm/vaccinate/sell the puppies too early/etc/etc.
BTW, I know MANY MANY people who have been sorely disappointed when their 'mini' labrador x poodle ends up 30kg+. These dogs often go oversize and these people end up with a huge ball of energy who they cannot groom and find hard to train.
I know you probably will not take any notice, and will go impulsively buy a puppy from a "good" breeder (read: you will convince yourself they are good...) and you will support the cycle of crappy dogs being bred for money, but at least I have tried
Sorry.. the only people I see selling this type of dog really are puppy farmers.
People on here have given you advice on how to try and find a good breeder if they even exist so good luck to you.
There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face.
I just seen one "farm" and they want 1500 bucks for their spoodle
Epic amounts of face palming going on over here.We breed parti - colored, golden, black, white and other unique black and tans. Our pups are from top quality pure-bred dogs, Spaniel mothers with Poodle fathers, the pup is then a first cross (F1) to ensure health and hybrid vigor with the Spoodle attribute of a wavy low-shed coat. This is called a Spoodle or in the USA a Cockerpoo, Read FAQ on F3+ crossesWe breed parti - colored, golden, black, white and other unique black and tans. Our pups are from top quality pure-bred dogs, Spaniel mothers with Poodle fathers, the pup is then a first cross (F1) to ensure health and hybrid vigor with the Spoodle attribute of a wavy low-shed coat. This is called a Spoodle or in the USA a Cockerpoo, Read FAQ on F3+ crosses
There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face.
There is a big puppy mill outlet in Victoria that sells "designer" cross breeds.
I wouldn't recommend them. And I wouldn't want to encourage them by shopping there.
There is no such thing as a "mini" labra doo dle. The poodle side can throw back to large dog. I met one golden retreiver cross poodle that was supposed to be a toy poodle cross but that dog was going to be bigger than both a golden retriever and a standard poodle. It was headed towards deerhound size. I'm sure that's not what the puppy mill marketers mean when they say "hybrid vigor" but there it was. H U G E.
Same with the spaniel poodle cross - you can't be sure what you know and love is what you will get with one of these either. The gene mix you get is RANDOM. The way you get something consistent is to be selective and limit the genes. Which is what the pedigree breeders do. It has good and bad outcomes. Mostly good, as long as they encourage selecting for good health and temper over good looks.
If you want something medium sized and you're not fussed if it's a bitsa - try the rescue orgs and shelters. They often have puppies, they don't always put them on the net.
Last edited by Hyacinth; 05-23-2012 at 07:31 PM.
thanks guys. this is a cross bread forum as well not just a pure breed, and i understand what you are all saying. but please use this thread for what i was kindly asking. so if anyone has actual comments i am interested in ppls response. and thank you for the information about the size of mini labradoodle, this was very helpful indeed.
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