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    I have a love hate relationship with pitbulls. I actually think they're one of the most impressive dog breeds, certainly I think as dogs they have a lot of potential. I think one day I may even have to own one because when I see them, I feel in awe of the emotional connection they have with people (reminds me of Sammy) and I have seen what they are willing to do for their owners. I also love their muscle and physique (the traditional ones, not the butch ones with silly heads). I would fight though until blue in the face to keep them and protect them from BSL and it's not just because I'm worried that dobermans could be the next breed targeted. I think they have a lot to offer that really no other breed can and the dog world and the human world would be a much poorer place without them.

    But Sammy has been attacked by bully type dogs 3 times - in fact it's the only type of dog he's ever been seriously attacked by. All 3 of those times I could tell the pit/amstaff/bully breed wanted to kill him. The owner would pull their dog off and Sammy would just stand next to me, happy the fight was over but the pit would be desperate to break free, desperate to finish the job. I still have nightmares about the time the owner had to lie on top of his dog because it was the only way he could stop it from attacking Sammy even though Sammy was in a down and wanted nothing more to do with it. I still remember when Sammy expressed his anal glands as a 10 week old puppy when a pitbull charged him and shook him by the neck. True to breed and luckily for us, none of these dogs were the slightest bit human aggressive. But they did want to kill other dogs. I can't lift Sammy up like I did when he was 10 weeks old. I feel powerless when I see one charging towards him because I know there's nothing I can do now. It's all up to him to evade until the other owner gets over to us and then hopefully together we can save Sammy. I can't even imagine what it must be like for people with less powerful breeds than a doberman - I know Sammy would still lose but his size and agility buy him some time at least (not to mention his long snout which the vet told is how his eye survived a particularly vicious attack).

    I don't know. They're not dog park dogs and yet you can always find so many there. I used to go to dog parks all the time and there's only one reason I don't go now, I'm scared of bully type dogs when I'm with Sammy. I have personally been attacked by other breeds of dog - the worst was a boxer that bit my face as a small child and 2 labradors that chased my sister and I over a fence on our way to school one day. But I know these were bad examples examples of the breed, the result of no training and poor ownership - they were the exceptions and so I'm not worried about them as a breed. I just wish I knew then what I know now because I probably could have avoided the problems altogether. But bully breeds that attack other dogs are not always the result of poor training and I don't see them as the exception, they were bred to fight dogs and that has yet to be bred out of them. Thing is I don't think there's anything wrong with that, same as I like that Sammy is naturally protective and well you wouldn't break into my house because there's a good chance my dog might do something about it. I just think if you want a dog to play at the dog park buy a spaniel or hound or some sort of social breed - there are lots of options but bully breeds do not fit into that category.

    I'm sure there are people here who have bully breeds that would be safe there, but it's like, when I owned a fox terrier cross I never left him alone with small animals - why risk it? I knew he respected me and was unlikely to do anything whilst I was watching, but I also knew how bad he wanted to. I made the mistake of not putting my mouse cage back properly one time and he pulled it apart and killed them all. He killed 4 rabbits one day at Centennial Park in Sydney - the dog was an amazing hunter. Dog breeds were bred for different purposes, I don't think you can love or hate a dog for doing what it was bred to do, you should just hate the owner for putting them in a situation that was inappropriate for that breed.

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    I cant find any love for ankle biters. Anything smaller than a shoe box just get under my feet and I have converted a few over the back of the nearest chair.
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    @99bottles. Good post! I suppose it is something that people have to consider before they get APBT's, AmStaffies and SBT's. You are more likely to have a DA one, I can never fully relax with Bella when we are out. I have to make sure that dogs smaller than her are kept away because she will try and dominate them. She also won't take anything from other dogs and isn't afraid to let them know when to back off. With people, they are fantastic. With other dogs it's luck I suppose. I've been lucky that my two love each other as much as they do and we have never had an issue!

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    Copied from OFF TOPIC - Million paws walk!

    Just got back and had a great day out...
    The poppets loved it, met a lot of new friends and were just all tuckered out when we got home.

    5 mins after we got there. a pitball grabbed an elderly ladies little fluffy shaking it, trying to kill it. The pathetic owner and 3 other people stepped in and stated puching the dogs head to try and get it to let go, which it did, was VERY disturbing and the elderly lady was really upset and crying.
    The owner was getting lunch when it happened, holding the lead with her back turned to the dog, and it waited till the fluffy was in reach walking by and grabbed it.
    Sadly pitbulls were involved in 4 other fights that i saw, and only one fight not involving pitbulls. A lot of people just left after that, it was quite distressing. Was not a good day for the positive media for pitbulls, and those responsible pit owners with friendly dogs didnt have such a good day either, i could see everyone giving there dogs a 10 foot berth, i know i did.

    Myself and my dog were also attacked by a pitball and a pitbull cross a few years ago.
    I had a "found in box" pitball cross many years ago and she was an amazing dog, she saved my children from an attack by a rottweiler so I know they have a loving heart toward humans.

    But im afraid to say I am now frightened of them, and to be surrounded by so many on Sunday with smallish Cavaliers that could die in one bite if i wasnt on the ball every second , i will admit was very daunting, so understand bottles feelings.
    I agree with bottles, they are not dog park dogs, and do need responsible ownership, I love how they interact with humans so loving and loyal, but there DA issues are frightning.
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    i disagree that bully breeds can't be dog park dogs. My SBT goes to the park every day, and every day we see other bully breeds. Admitedly i'm more wary of bully breeds than others because i know if either my dog or theirs decide to tell the other to back off there is a risk that a full on fight could break out. I've learnt to read Jack extremely well and the moment i see him getting frustrated with any dog i'll put him on the lead, but if another bully breed even comes close, Jack goes on the lead until the other has moved on. IMO it all comes down to the owner, firstly knowing how much dog aggression their dog has and then being responsible to ensure that other dogs are kept safe. Like jadie says about bella, it doesn't matter to Jack how big the other dog is, he will not back down. He's not overly dominant, but he won't be dominated either. He isn't DA at all imo, just more than happy to stand his ground

    ETA : i have also seen several bad examples of bully breeds that should never have been at an offleash dog park, however so far i've been lucky that i can get Jack to come and be put on lead when i call ... and i also learnt to avoid hot days at the beach, too many once a year dog walkers come out and there are always fights(certainly not always bullies involved, in fact probably less often than their numbers would say was their fair share)
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    I suppose it is all about knowing your dog, I wouldn't take Harley out unless he was muzzled. At least until I can get him in with a trainer to work on his issues anyway. Bella just get's watched like a hawk. Some people must be just oblivious to how their dogs really are and want to think that they are fine with other dogs or have never had them out in public before with other dogs around.

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    I am sorry for anyone who has had a bad experience with a bully breed, it is never nice to have your dog attacked, in any situation or by any type of dog.

    I do disagree with all these dogs being called Pitbulls, sorry but who told you they were pitbulls? You are basing it on what you can see, so you are assuming. I have seen crosses of very different breeds looks like a PB or even a Bull breed and not even be those breeds at all.

    Unfortunately it is the idiot owners of dogs who are or appear to be Pitbulls who ruin it for the rest of us. Some dogs are not dog park dogs. My eldest dog Keira who is a Ridgie X is not a dog park dog, she is one of those dogs that some people would mistake for a Bull breed or Pitbull. She isn't but she sure is dog aggressive and it would be completely inappropriate to take her somewhere where she is in a position of possibly hurting another dog.

    I don't take Phoenix to dog parks, but not because of her, because of how many times she has had a rude dog in her face, she will politely tell them she isn't interested in playing but most don't listen, this tends to be mostly Labs and Labradoodles, she will only take so much before she decides she needs to tell them to back off more forcefully.

    I hope anyone who has had a bad experience at a dog park has actually reported it because in all honesty if you do nothing about these idiots and just ignore them then shame on you as well.

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    When the dog attacked me and my dog, I reported it to council, the dogs were already as classified "dangerous dogs", due to previous attacks on people and wildlife and the council took them to court and they were fined.

    But at a dog park or million paws? The owners usually , so unless you follow them home, you have no idea where they come from.
    As I said there not all DA, but there are certainly more bully breed DA dogs than not.

    I take a big stick with me usually, and i'm not afraid yo use it, on any breed of dog who is DA, and there not all bully breeds, but yeah, I will fess up and say I am very frightened of the ones I dont know
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    Quote Originally Posted by cavalierqld View Post
    When the dog attacked me and my dog, I reported it to council, the dogs were already as classified "dangerous dogs", due to previous attacks on people and wildlife and the council took them to court and they were fined.

    But at a dog park or million paws? The owners usually , so unless you follow them home, you have no idea where they come from.
    As I said there not all DA, but there are certainly more bully breed DA dogs than not.

    I take a big stick with me usually, and i'm not afraid yo use it
    No one who knows Bull breeds will deny they have a higher propensity for DA then other breeds. It is an unfortunate side effect of their previous use. But I won't agree to the fact that more Bully's are DA then not.

    You can still call the council and report what the owner and the dog looked like and where you were at the time. Its better then nothing.

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    good thread sean..... wat to kill 45 mins reading through the posts while tryign to work......

    i gotta admit i dont like yappy dogs too.... shitzhu's, maltese etc..... jsut not my cuppa tea.....

    i love big dogs, if i had a bigger yard then a rottie, gsd, and dob would all be on the cards..... dont get me wrong, i lvoe my staffy more then anything too.....

    there are some ridge backs that i have met that i havent been to fond of either...... probably cos they werent all that fond of me.....had one try and hump the crap outta jonah at the park... closest ive ever come to kicking a dog...... no owner in sight either....

    like most people have said,....... its usually the owners......
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