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    I would like to hear your collective thoughts on whether dogs experience jealousy.

    I have a cross staffy/bull arab as a guest at the moment and had her in an execrcise yard. In the adjacent yard I had 2 of my BC's and a Retriever guest.

    I brought the staffy in to this yard and there was a bit of "heyanewdogletssayhello" " GETOUTOFMYFACE" but that settled quickly so I let the staffy free and off she went a sniffing. All the others trailed for a minute and then resumed their own game.

    After 5 minutes I sat on the grass and all but the staffy immediately gravitated to me and were all over me. The staffy was probably 20 meters away but when she saw what was happening she trotted in and immediately went into "HE'sMINEGETOFFHIM" pose. Teeth, hackles, stiff and growls. The others backed off and she was as happy as Larry. Whacking me with that steel rod they call a tail and licking me from toes to bald patch.

    I put her back in her run and went back to the others. She went burko at the fence as soon as I stepped into the other run.

    What do you think - was this jealousy?
    Nev Allen
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    She had just had a lovely reward of being aggressive to the other dogs, protecting the resource that was highly prized by others. She got all other dogs off what she wanted, and you cuddled her and reinforced it.
    a few moments later, you cant be trusted can you, just when she's got you safe, you go and screw it up, by going to other dogs. she repeats the aggression in the hope that you will ignore the danger and needs of other dogs, and chose her AGAIN.

    Question is..... what did you do next? reinforced this again by returning to her, or ignored your dogs attempts to train you, and decided for yourself where you body goes and who it pats?

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    Yer I mean think about it. That staffy barely knows you jealously would mean that they have some connection to you. I would lean more towards resource guarding. I mean everyone wanted some so the staff wanted it all to himself
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    Its pretty hard to put into words exactly what happened step by step because it would take up the whole forum. Long story short - she did not get a pat from me when she chased the others off. I tried to ignore her, head down and turned away - hence the bald patch lick - and then the leash went on and she was marched straight next door.
    When she fired up I ignored her, and left the scene.

    The bit through the fence I can see as typical staffy seperation behaviour. They just want to be with you so i do ignore this.

    So having established I handled this Ok, back to the question - was it jealousy?
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    As soon as she had showed the aggression towards the others i would have removed myself too......No eye contact with her at all. Staffy scored.......The others were good dogs to move and not counteract. But I would have moved like them, away......The other dogs did the right thing.

    Some dogs are not social, if I continued to cause a "problem" I would not let this dog in with the others and i would also not allow her near me, unless I called her to me.

    It is what i do anyway....I only pet dogs that I call to me. I do not pet dogs that demand to be petted in a group situation especially.

    I am not that strict with my own team, as they know how to behave around me. But in unknown groups I will call dogs to me and pet, but ignore dogs that push or demand
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    It is interesting. Either she is claiming ownership of you, or she is worried that she will lose you, to the charm of others. Clearly you are worth fighting for. The only thing you can really do, is leave with the others, and let her feel the social consequences. I do think they feel jealousy, and that is a product of insecurity, but does she normally feel she is able to control her family of humans? Does she feel she is entitled to threaten and more, as boss, to get her way? Would that be effective in her home environment? The good thing was that she didn't want to take it further. Once she felt you were hers, she was sunny again, and not giving them the Evil Eye. Was her act a desperate claim on you, because she can't cope with the kennels? Is she not well socialised, and was under the impression that you were at risk and that she actually rescued you? It's the body language, the micro signals that help decide you. The fact is, tho', she has to 'learn it doesn't pay.

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    I think dogs do feel jealous, not in the control freak stalking kind of way some humans get, but in the moment right now, I want what you've got gimme.

    It can be used to your advantage - ie a dog's not interested in training - you put that dog away and get another dog out and train or play with it. And then the first dog will be much keener to work when their turn comes around again.

    A game I'm currently playing with my dog to encourage more tug with what I have when I want... is I play with the tug of my choice and run around like it's the best thing in the world and I don't let her have it, or sniff it, or play with it... until she shows proper enthusiasm. Sometimes I just stash it and go back to being boring. And when I get it out next time, I know we're going to have a good tug/fetch session.

    And she definitely bumps in for pats and treats. Doesn't want to miss out. But she doesn't drive other dogs off. I'm very careful not to reward any dog that does this. I'm not surprised some try it on. Dogs are opportunists, they will try to take whatever's good. And what someone else thinks is good, the dog will often think so too or at least want to check it out. Is one reason my dog is so fond of promite on toast, though she does not understand my interest in lemons.

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    most definatly.
    i've had one dog pull the other off my lap by the tail cause she was jelious he was getting attention

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    Hyacinth has a good point. It may be that she thought I needed rescuing. When she first came in she was vary wary of me to the point of having hackles up and licking lips. After her owner left I took some treats and went and sat with her for a minute sending all the non threatening signals I could, looking down and away, turning sideways, yawing etc.

    I was able to calm her down and ended the session with a chin and chest rub and I could feel her muscles relax with that. She was still a little wary the 2nd day but now, 4 days on, and whenever I appear in her kennel or yard, she is my bestest friend.

    So if I am that close to her and she saw me being mobbed it could easily have been a rescue operation and not jealousy.
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    Oh hell yeah they do! My kelpie is fine with little dogs in the yard with her if i'm inside but as soon as i go outside she starts to annoy the littlelens straight away and starts nipping at them just incase they get any attention. She def has jealousy issues. But then if it's a big dog she is fine with me giving them attention. Pretty strange really.
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