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    I was meeting people for breakfast this morning and I've been meaning to introduce my pup to my friend's dogs for a while now to socialise him, I don't know many people with dogs, so he hasn't been getting much exposure. I was going to be on the same side of town, so I thought I'd bring my pup along and ask her to babysit while I'm at breakfast and then come and hang out for a bit afterwards. I made sure to go over a bit early just to supervise the introductions and make sure everything was fine before I left him under my friend's care. I was a bit unsure of how it would go since she has 3 dogs, and it was on their turf and one of them apparently can be a bit funny with some dogs, but it all went pretty well and I was very impressed with how Dexter behaved.

    We introduced them one at a time, from smallest(foxy x) to biggest(BC x cattledog) and on lead so my pup could approach or not if he wanted. They all were fine. The Foxy cross was a bit weirded out though, he seemed fine at first, but once we let them both off lead together he seemed scared of my pup and I had to stop Dexter a couple of times because the foxy was turning away, licking and trying to walk away and Dex ignored that and kept following him trying to lick him. The BC cross can apparently be a bit weird with some dogs, so I watched them carefully. She sniffed him a lot and was wagging her tail but she's got a stumpy tail(natural) and cropped ears(medical reason) so it's a bit hard to tell what she's thinking. She kinda ran after him a few times, wasn't growling or biting at him or anything but we tried to distract her when she did this just so she didn't keep doing it (she came across as curious more than anything). Eventually after they all had one on one time, I tried two of them with Dex and they were all fine, the foxy was a bit more confident with the other one there, so I let in the BC again and it all went pretty smoothly. Dexter was definitely the centre of attention, all the dogs came and sniffed him and they just followed each other around, so I was happy to leave them under my friend's supervision then. I made sure Dex had his crate there that he could escape into if he felt he needed to, and he did a couple of times, but came straight back out again and he coped very well and was generally being quite polite to all the others.

    While I was gone she told me her dogs had a bit of a snap at each other, but no one did anything to Dexter and they were all just following around still. Dex was obviously tired when I got back, probably a massive mental overload for him, so I took him home and he's now passed out on my lap. Hopefully I can keep taking him back every so often for visits. I'll have to take some photos next time when I'm less focused on how they're interacting.

    I was very proud of Dex though, at puppy class he was a bit terrified of the other puppies, they were all bigger than him and all very confident and bouncy which made him a bit cautious of approaching most of them. I was hoping he'd get along with my friend's dogs since the biggest is medium sized and the youngest is a few years old so they'd be less bouncy than puppies.

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    It is awkward to judge when ears are cropped - and shorter tail. I would advise both of you to not think he's safe yet. The snaps between her dogs could be a little bit of ownership claiming, which could escalate and your pup might be accidentally snapped or trodden on. Also, you're a bit worrying when you describe the BC cross, (with CD), as running after him several times. That might be quite worrying. Dogs don't always growl. If it was starting to see your pup as prey, rather than a cute puppy/equal, it wouldn't growl, it would go in silently and hard. and biting hard on contact, rather like ratting, even if it let go and went, "oops. Sorry. That was a puppy". I would still closely supervise and perhaps your friend could take the opportunity to teach her dogs GENTLE and IT'S A BABY... Take a close look and treat it like it's a precious little chicken. All my dogs know they must be like little mothers, very gentle and protective in a loving way, not an ownership way. It might be better to introduce it to the dogs, one at a time, on fresh territory, repeatedly. DON'T get them excited, keep the meetings low key and don't give them food together, another excuse to snap. Try not to feel tense, as the dogs will pick up on that. Perhaps ask your friend to bring her dogs to meet the instructor after puppy class, and just get her to watch them at play and see how she feels.

    Great that you are trying so hard with your little one. Any pics?
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    Sounds like Dex did really well. Its a great feeling when new dogs get along fine.......makes life so much easier.

    He sounds as though he was really confident and didn't do the 'Puppy submission position', Legs in the air flat on the back ...LOL.

    I'd try and visit as much as possible so they remember each other and stay friendly.

    It's great having someone whio you can leave your dog with. Makes those occasions where they just cant be with you really easy and stress free, not to mention cheaper than a boarding kennel .

    Good stuff Dex !!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Menageriemanor View Post
    It is awkward to judge when ears are cropped - and shorter tail. I would advise both of you to not think he's safe yet. The snaps between her dogs could be a little bit of ownership claiming, which could escalate and your pup might be accidentally snapped or trodden on. Also, you're a bit worrying when you describe the BC cross, (with CD), as running after him several times. That might be quite worrying. Dogs don't always growl. If it was starting to see your pup as prey, rather than a cute puppy/equal, it wouldn't growl, it would go in silently and hard. and biting hard on contact, rather like ratting, even if it let go and went, "oops. Sorry. That was a puppy". I would still closely supervise and perhaps your friend could take the opportunity to teach her dogs GENTLE and IT'S A BABY... Take a close look and treat it like it's a precious little chicken. All my dogs know they must be like little mothers, very gentle and protective in a loving way, not an ownership way. It might be better to introduce it to the dogs, one at a time, on fresh territory, repeatedly. DON'T get them excited, keep the meetings low key and don't give them food together, another excuse to snap. Try not to feel tense, as the dogs will pick up on that. Perhaps ask your friend to bring her dogs to meet the instructor after puppy class, and just get her to watch them at play and see how she feels.

    Great that you are trying so hard with your little one. Any pics?
    Yes, I wasn't 100% comfortable with the 'chasing' shown by the BC, and will definitely always keep an eye on her. I made sure my friend wasn't going to leave them unsupervised and told her to keep an close eye on the BC. I don't know if it had any relevance, but I was watching all 4 of them together, and the BC came up to Dex and had a sniff, and the foxy came straight over and put himself between Dex and the BC and the BC walked off, he then followed the BC away from Dex and came back and went about his business, as if he came over so she left him alone(which I thought was weird since he seems a bit scared of Dex). Can dogs referee their own interactions like that?

    I was mostly wanting the foxy and Dex to get along since they're of closer size to each other I figured Dex wouldn't be so intimidated, and he's not, but the foxy seems less sure, lol. Oh well, things might change the more they meet. I'd love to go over their a lot more often, but I don't really live near anyone so it's not always convenient for either of us to meet up and we both work at weird times. I need to find more people with dogs closer to me. None of my family are dog people really

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    My friend took a photo while I was out, Dex looks so sad!. This is Dex and the BC x, Vesper:

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    It does sound as tho the foxie may have snapped protectively, because it saw some signs from the BC, perhaps that you didn't. Sometimes they appear a bit frightened, when they are actually being very careful, as they've realised that they are with puppies. Would she let her foxie spend a work day a week with the puppy, at your place? After you've watched them together, some more... Is your yard dog proof? Are your neighbours nice? Do they care for their dog well? Perhaps get a local nearby - or from puppy class, where they can mind one day a week, and vice versa. That way, you have a place that can take your puppy in an emergency, and so do they, where the dogs are comfortable and relaxed and it's much cheaper. Chat to different people and listen to how well they care for their pup, before asking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menageriemanor View Post
    It does sound as tho the foxie may have snapped protectively, because it saw some signs from the BC, perhaps that you didn't. Sometimes they appear a bit frightened, when they are actually being very careful, as they've realised that they are with puppies. Would she let her foxie spend a work day a week with the puppy, at your place? After you've watched them together, some more... Is your yard dog proof? Are your neighbours nice? Do they care for their dog well? Perhaps get a local nearby - or from puppy class, where they can mind one day a week, and vice versa. That way, you have a place that can take your puppy in an emergency, and so do they, where the dogs are comfortable and relaxed and it's much cheaper. Chat to different people and listen to how well they care for their pup, before asking.
    That's not such a bad idea to have her dog stay a day here and there.. I'd have to see how he is with cats though, I'm not sure if he likes them which could be a problem since I have a cat. My yard is mostly dog proof, there's some part of the fence that might need attention, but I've blocked access to those parts for the time being. Would also have to see how he goes with birds since I have ducks free ranging in my yard.. though my friend told me her dogs killed a bush turkey recently, so ducks might not be so great. I know my friend absolutely adores her pups and they get very spoilt and a bit babied.

    There's a dog park nearish here that I could try and meet up with someone local if they happen to be there regularly, but it's a tiny park with nothing in it, and I don't think anyone really uses it. Puppy class is finished now and I don't have contacts for anyone that was there. I'm looking at further obedience training, just trying to convince the OH to come along.

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    Did I see photo's of your pup as a dachshund? Or is my brain fizzing? I'm not sure if a dachsy's back would cope with it, but have you looked into flyball? It should entertain your OH, as it's fast and fun, and other people there might let him handle one of theirs, while you teach your baby. I know they love to have little dogs on their team, as the jump height is calculated on the smallest dogs leg or height, It is great exercise and socialisation. If you put up signs, you may get enough people to make it worth while for a trainer to come out and show you how to set up, if there isn't a close local group. Oh. It took a while for the photo's to appear. I came down the page, thinking, I could have SWORN there were pictures...

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    Dex is gorgeous! There is a wee Daxie baby that walks past me at the bus stop every morning and he just makes me swoon!

    Personally, I think a bit much may be being read into the situation. When I brang Pippi home, Barney did run at her a few times...he was trying to initiate play and showing off how manly he was. No biggy.

    I wouldnt leave the pup completely unsupervised with all the adults, but just dont make a fuss. Being human, we sometimes get all overly concerned and worried and this comes off us in waves and we change our behaviour and this can make the situation much worse, or at least seem much worse.

    And at the end of the day, the dogs are displaying normal behaviour. Its exciting to meet a youngun. And to be honest, I dont know many adult dogs who would intentionally hurt a youngun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menageriemanor View Post
    Did I see photo's of your pup as a dachshund? Or is my brain fizzing? I'm not sure if a dachsy's back would cope with it, but have you looked into flyball? It should entertain your OH, as it's fast and fun, and other people there might let him handle one of theirs, while you teach your baby. I know they love to have little dogs on their team, as the jump height is calculated on the smallest dogs leg or height, It is great exercise and socialisation. If you put up signs, you may get enough people to make it worth while for a trainer to come out and show you how to set up, if there isn't a close local group. Oh. It took a while for the photo's to appear. I came down the page, thinking, I could have SWORN there were pictures...
    Yes, he's a mini dachshund
    I've heard of flyball, not entirely sure what it is, but I'm sure a quick google will tell me, but if there's jumps would that not be potentially bad for his back? lol.. that sounds more like it would put my OH off coming, he's not particularly social or active so fast and fun is probably not going to appeal to him. Dex is still on basics at the moment, he's only done puppy class and I'm trying to teach him to walk nicely on lead and we're practicing recall and stay with varying degrees of success. My OH is of the opinion that he needs to learn what he's already been taught (sit, drop etc) before we do any more training.. whereas I'm more concerned with the socialising with dogs than what he actually learns or how well he does it. Obviously I'd like him to learn things but I know it's important that he meets other dogs. You don't necessarily have to pay to go to training classes to socialise, but it's probably the easiest and most structured way of doing it if you don't know people with dogs to go and meet.

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