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    Dear Wonderful Kindhearted Pawfectionist

    I love your loyalty to this little scruff of a dog. Everyone needs an advocate at some point in their life. Muffy must be feeling your love.

    You sure opened a can of worms with this one - we seem to be an opinionated bunch on this forum!

    And, yes, you are right many have formed an opinion on Muffy without meeting her but, I guess, this is typical human nature. And, this opinion is only based on what was initially typed - so I guess the lesson here is hearsay can be very damaging to one's reputation! I'm still championing for you to keep her - lol.

    Again, I have my fingers crossed for a positive outcome for this little dog and look forward to Nekhbet giving his view after meeting Muffy 1st hand.

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    *cough* I'm a girl lol

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    at Nek!!!
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    So I'm opinionated for voicing my opinion in a non hostile yet un suger coated way ?

    Well I'm not going to say sorry for the my opinion...... it stands.
    So does that mean if I continue on with a terrified,mentally injured 'large' dog that has already bitten numerous people leaving injuries that require stitching and medical care etc it's ok? I can come here for help and support ?

    If this dog does not stay with Bel then IMO it should get its wings.
    This is not a perfect world sadly....it should not ever have the chance to become someone elses problem .
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    I'm going to say this even though I know that many here won't agree. First of all, a little dog that might bite just IS less of a risk than a big dog. Not to say that it's ok, but I wouldn't call a little fluff ball like that dangerous. She'd be lucky to be able to pierce someone's skin with those tiny teeth.

    And secondly, there's biting and biting. It's never good and I do understand that fear biting makes a dog unpredictable, but biting isn't mauling.

    And lastly, it sounds like the reports on this dog's behaviour have been exaggerated and I think it is fair for PF to make their own assessment regardless of the dog's past.

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    Well having worked as an A&E nurse I have seen the damage a little dog can do to a face..Not sure why always the face, maybe people go too close, bending down..Not saying Muffy will, but just saying little ones can do damage

    I love dogs, I will do anything for a dog and I will happily train with a committed owner to try and rehabilitate the bad dogs..but I will not rehab a dog and pass it on. Hence two of my fosters are still with me........If a person had chosen a aggressive dog and wanted to make changes in it's life, I would help. As long as they were fully aware of possible consequences. And I have actually got special indemnity forms for these cases, which were formally written up by a lawyer company. They are very lengthy...it is a scary road and even if you are adamant to do it, make sure you cover you butt. And I mean legally......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    I'm going to say this even though I know that many here won't agree. First of all, a little dog that might bite just IS less of a risk than a big dog. Not to say that it's ok, but I wouldn't call a little fluff ball like that dangerous. She'd be lucky to be able to pierce someone's skin with those tiny teeth.

    And secondly, there's biting and biting. It's never good and I do understand that fear biting makes a dog unpredictable, but biting isn't mauling.

    And lastly, it sounds like the reports on this dog's behaviour have been exaggerated and I think it is fair for PF to make their own assessment regardless of the dog's past.
    Beloz, I totally disagree with what you have said above ! I have highlighted a couple of things in your above quote which I will comment on.

    A dog bite is a dog bite - regardless of the size of the dog ! It may be a small dog - but as far as I am concerned - it should be classed at least as a menace or a dangerous dog. This particular dog has bitten humans more than once. To say that this dog will not revert to previous behaviour is an absolute nonsense.

    The best that can happen for this dog is that it will be managed by someone who knows what they are doing ! This will be the big ask and problem here - finding someone who will manage this dog.

    The next one that I have highlighted - that this dog's behaviour has been exaggerated - so - by whom and for what reason ?

    I have always had reasonably large pups in my life - the first thing I teach them is to lick faces ! Yes, that has caused me problems in the show ring and obedience rings - but it works for me. I warn people - their choice !

    What worries me is that excusing 'little dogs' bad behaviours - which would mean a death sentence for a larger dog - means that others, like me who like bigger breeds will always be on the defensive - and - eventually all we can have in the future - if we would want another dog - and it is happening now with BSL - is these small white fluffy things.

    I find all of this really sad !

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    I'm going to say this even though I know that many here won't agree. First of all, a little dog that might bite just IS less of a risk than a big dog. Not to say that it's ok, but I wouldn't call a little fluff ball like that dangerous. She'd be lucky to be able to pierce someone's skin with those tiny teeth.

    And secondly, there's biting and biting. It's never good and I do understand that fear biting makes a dog unpredictable, but biting isn't mauling.
    Actually ... it's not true. When they decide to bite I can tell you they can go right down to the bone, yes even a dog half Muffy's size. Mums pomeranian was an absolute terror, he got me down to the bone in my palm, latched onto my boob and caused damage through a jumper, tshirt and a bra. This is the problem, people don't see little dogs as a big deal ... until you get bitten by one then you realise how much damage they can really do.
    You should see what I looked like when a cat got me ... burst the joint capsule in my index finger with his back teeth, munched up both hands and embedded a claw into the side of my neck, just missing my jugular. Most of the damage was from the molars, and the bathroom looked like a massacre. Don't ever underestimate an angry small animal.

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    here's a bite from a Shih Tzu

    A dog is a dog big or small. There is no distinction. One is no more excusable in its behavior merely due to size.

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    Sorry Beloz , another one jumping on the wagon .
    Newf,Riley and Nek have just written brilliant realistic posts.

    And it is absolutely not fair for Bel to make the call on this dog going forrward into someone elses home.
    If it doesnt stay with her where it seems ,thus far, it is being managed ,then there is only one other 'safe' place for it.
    And thats with both the dogs and unwitting families interests at heart.
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    I do not know enough about rehabilitating aggressive dogs to make a call on that myself...

    But regarding the little dog/big dog difference, I'm sorry, but if you get a big dog there just ARE bigger risks associated. Even if we are not talking the risk of injuring or killing someone because of the big teeth and jaws, there is much more of a chance of other people feeling intimated by them. That is something that you have to be prepared for when you get a big dog. And even though I totally agree that it is vital that you socialise any dog regardless of breed or size, with big dogs there is much more of an external motivator to do that. It is not a justification of BSL to say that at all! You have to be realistic about that too. Even though a dog is a dog, you cannot force small dog owners to treat their dogs as if they were great danes just because you worry about the reputation of large dog breeds.

    And yes, small dogs can do damage too, but surely it is less likely. A nip from a small dog is not going to be as bad as a nip from a big dog.

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