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    FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I didn't have feedback with one on one time, with her, so I don't know how I would have changed my behaviour, to what I would have experienced and done, but I've learned that with the little 'snappy' dogs, I'm much tougher minded. This is what we do. Fit in. That's interesting to learn about ME. Maybe it was due to having 9 plus dogs, at times. Maybe I've become like one of those mothers of nine, that basically say, I have this much time, you have 2 minutes to whinge, then bed and bath... You can have an apple or orange or nothing... Gee... tough mama!!!

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    Early days are often really good....Wait until the 14-21 days....
    Andrew here! Bel will probably give me a bit of a talking to for using her account.. I do tell her not to have her passwords saved on the PC.

    We both agree with that newfsie. We have showed those videos to the foster group and to me they seem a little too excited about putting her up for adoption very soon, but I understand where they are coming from, having had muffy in foster care for 4 months showing no signs of improvement.

    She is obviously far more comfortable around us, and the dogs/cat at our house, and the other dogs she's been exposed to that either Bel or I have been handling, there is at this stage little evidence of her ability to react calmly to an unbalanced dog that is not within the control of an experienced handler, or greet people people that are unfamiliar with how to approach a dog (especially one with known problems of course). These are the things we will have test, and no doubt work on in the coming 2-3 weeks.. and I suspect, coach any prospective owners on as well further in the future.

    She has been having to deal with some of my piano students arriving at our home this evening, which has lead to her giving off a few growls. Nothing she did would be considered an overly concerning behavioural issue, but then, I immediately addressed the situation and she now responds very well to both Bel and I at times like this. However, I can't be sure that a new owner will recognise her behaviours as fast as we might, or that they would even consider them problematic enough to address, potentially allowing her to lapse. That's a problem in itself - will a new owner take her behaviour seriously even if we tell them its important. Or will they just see our finished "angel" (hopefully) and think that there's no way that she could be aggressive.

    We also learnt a few new things about her at the park today, but I will leave some of that for Bel to explain as she will no doubt want me to leave something for her...

    Thanks for all the interest and advice we've recieved!

    Andrew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menageriemanor View Post
    FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I didn't have feedback with one on one time, with her, so I don't know how I would have changed my behaviour, to what I would have experienced and done, but I've learned that with the little 'snappy' dogs, I'm much tougher minded. This is what we do. Fit in. That's interesting to learn about ME. Maybe it was due to having 9 plus dogs, at times. Maybe I've become like one of those mothers of nine, that basically say, I have this much time, you have 2 minutes to whinge, then bed and bath... You can have an apple or orange or nothing... Gee... tough mama!!!
    What is this in reference to? I don't understand what you are talking about

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    Paws your account has been politely hijacked..how funny Nice to meet your BH, welcome Andrew!
    The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated.
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    I noticed He was right, I was annoyed, but only because I didn't realise that he had written his name on the post. After I realised that, I was fine

    So, today after today, we now know that Muffy is a bike and car chaser. We were at a reserve (in the rain) walking 5 dogs. Muffy was fine but then a guy came out of nowhere on a bike. Muffy immediately took chase barking at the biker as he rode off into the distance. She made it about 30 metres away then gave up. I called her and she immediately ran back to me as fast as her little legs could take her.

    As if that wasn't excitement enough for one day, about 45 mins later a worker ute came through the reserve along the track and Muffy once again took up chase before we had time to notice it and call her. No, utes driving through are not a common occurrence, we were just lucky The ute was good enough to notice her and stop on the path so we could call her back. Once the ute stopped, we called and she ran straight back to me.

    I gave her a good brushing today, as she has a lot of knots in her fur. She needs a better clip, so I think I'll organise that for this week some time. She did very well with the brushing. Every now and then I'd get a bit too caught in a knot and she'd cry but apart from that she laid there as if I was pampering her. I can only assume that she has been groomed since she was young and therefore properly socialised with it, making life easier for EVERYBODY!

    She has been scratching since Saturday. I have my thoughts on the cause but have no solid evidence as to what is causing it. She was groomed on Friday with aloveen, she is on new food, she has no fleas that we can see but can't rule it out, it's environmental but we don't have any plants in our garden or where we have been that are known irritants, her matted hair (which I have cut out from her belly and pits) is causing her irritation or discomfort, or it's behavioural. For now I can't see any red areas, so am yet to decide on the cause....? She tends to stick to the belly, pits and bum...

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    I know it's terribly dangerous but small dogs chasing cars makes me laugh. I once minded someone's JRT cross and one morning the gate was left open. I only discovered when I suddenly heard the JRT barking his head off outside my bedroom window. I ran outside and there he is standing in the middle of our quiet street in front of a small car, barking. The driver could probably not see him because he stood that close to the nose of her car, but obviously she knew he was there, so he effectively prevented her from driving off. Then I saw the dog move out of the way when I called him but as soon as she started driving, he jumped in front of the car again to bark. Turned out she was terrified of dogs too. I apologised profusely to the driver after I scooped up the dog, but I couldn't help finding it a very funny sight. Fortunately he never repeated that while he stayed at my place.

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    Seriously, this sorta stuff frightens me. Lets assume you are able to get this dog under control, this is not a novice dog. Whilst you maybe the highest qualified animal behaviourist, i bet the next owner isnt.
    How can you be sure that the control with transfer to new owner? or their children? or their neighbours?
    I applaud your tenacity though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bernie View Post
    Whilst you maybe the highest qualified animal behaviourist, i bet the next owner isnt.
    How can you be sure that the control with transfer to new owner? or their children? or their neighbours?
    Poignant question - from my persepctive at least, there is an argument that ALL dog owners should have a basic understanding of dog behaviour and psychology, and be willing to learn from someone more experienced if required.

    If Muffy's new owner has those qualities, there won't be a problem. While we wouldn't allow someone without them to take her, plenty of inexperienced owners get themselves involved with difficult dogs. Muffy's first owners were obviously an example of this - Who screened them?

    As we form a picture of the type of owner Muffy might end up with, we are becoming sure that children in the house is not an option for this exact reason. There is no way we can guarantee that a child will treat Muffy appropriately - in fact not that long ago we had a consult regarding a border collie that had bitten (barely) the owners young son. The owners thought they had an aggressive dog, but really they had a child that had a habit of getting in the dogs face, even after it had given warning growls and clearly just wanted some space (body language) even before we got to see the growling.

    Muffy's owner will likely need to be able to confidently address and explain to people how to interact with her so that they won't spark issues reoccurring. Its going to be a tedious search, considering the expectation that a large collection of naive people wanting a fluff ball will be applying.

    Andrew.
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    Pawfectionist, Sorry been off somewhere. Meant what you'd done as seen on the video is fantastic, but the rest was me writing that I'd realised that I was, in many ways, a lot more tough love, with little snappy dogs, than I'd ever realised. I do a LOT of massages and react very much to what I see in eyes, etc but essentially, I am much more likely to react with a snappy little dog, not a favorite of mine, I admit, with a, 'these are the house rules' attitude. It's worked well with those that have come here, and it's been really interesting to see it going so well for you, with a different start, tho' I find it impossible to be sure what I'd do, as so much is done from almost microsignals that you get from each dog and isn't described here. So basically, I was saying Fantastic to you and then acknowledging what I'd learnt about me and how I handle problems with new, difficult, little dogs, from reading what you wrote, which is a great secondary reason for reading these things. I knew what I did, but am not able to mix with doggie people, as I'm isolated and PART of me misses still doing rescues. Even tho the last thing I would want, is a snappy fluffy dog, I still have memories, so vivid, of such little dogs occasionally coming home. I was trying to read what you see, so I could think as I would if she were here - probably more for me, than you, to be truthful. The little ones left me, far more socialised and outgoing and normal dog, so what I did must have worked. One went to a b and b and used to follow around guests, emotionally blackmailing them cuddles, and was known as the walking Teddy, so she'd changed, completely! I think much of it was actually learning to mix with 8ish other dogs. Rather like a spoilt only child learning the carefree joy of losing the ego and attitude, and having fun.

    I'd actually stopped offering any suggestions, cos I realised I couldn't suggest for what I couldn't see, and if the start wasn't my start, I was stonkered, anyway. But depending on what I saw, it might not have been my start, either. So, I only came back, to check she was doing well, as I do care that she ends up a happy, well loved dog, and so had to write Fantastic! because from your description, on arrival, your progress was great, tho' a long way to go. I then just added what occurred to me about my attitude to snappy fluffies, from reading this thread - but, again, depending on history, ie bad abuse, or if I see sadness or fear or 'something', in the eyes, it would be very different. In all honesty, I was just popping back to read what I'm sure will be a happy ending. Is it still unclear what I meant? I think cavqld got what I meant.

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    Just as long as Muffy's new owner is nothing like the previous foster carers and knows how to manage a dog like that. It may require follow up to make sure progress continues in the right direction and Muffy doesn't revert back to chomping city.

    Personally I have learned the hard way that a new dog should probably stay on lead for the first month in a new home/environment... It's a PITA but it's only a month. Then the opportunity for the new dog/puppy to chase things it shouldn't is limited.

    Mind you my evil hound tried to chase a bike last night. I had her on lead, and fortunately a pretty good grip because I was loading stuff into the car, and had no idea the bike was coming. I think maybe that's why she went for it - because I wasn't paying attention, ie no sneak attacks from wayward cyclists allowed. She didn't get near it fortunately.

    Does anyone else find Andrew - Belinda's OH using the same ID and almost the same ID a bit confusing. I know I do.

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