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    So it doesn't seem a dog lover can't have more than one breed by the looks of it and if has a few dogs then they don't get the time and attention needed. This is so stupid and judgmental.
    And that isn't what I said.

    Do you have puppies available all the time? Or only when you have planned a litter? To have puppies available all the time would mean a lot of bitches (more than 5, maybe 10 - all pregnant all the time). I can't see how you could give that many bitches and that many litters enough attention. But maybe that's just me. Or maybe you didn't mean what the ad says in "well bred pets". You definitely want to go fix some of these ads up.

    Dogs online - according to the entry for your prefix - you don't have any BC bitches - only male studs. So how do you have BC puppies all the time then?

    I think it's possible for a responsible breeder to have "a few" dogs. But there are some ANKC breeders in SA at least but I hear of some in Vic and NSW that have 7 or more different breeds with puppies available, and their dogs live in outdoor pens away from human every day interaction. Some are listing more than 10 litters a year in the journals - but they don't have a huge staff. It's just one or two people with day jobs. Dogs are not herd animals to be bred like horses.

    I'm glad to see you're not one of those but from a casual googling - which is what someone in this thread did - didn't look so good.

    And I do know how much training goes into all those dog competition disciplines you do. I participate in that world too. Well not the conformation part - because I have an AWL mutt, but some of my friends do.

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    Of course I don't have puppies all of the time, I stated I have puppies throughout the year, you would need at least 12 bitches cycling continually each on a different month to achieve this anyway, impossible! My litters are very carefully planned and I own bitches that have never even been bred from. A lot of dogs that are owned by me live in loving family homes in Geelong and the surrounding area. I am currently showing 4 bitches and a dog as well as training some for Endurance, this takes up a good part of every day. 3 of my dogs live with a friend and are training for Agility. As I stated the Bull Terrier is owned and lives with my daughter, she was shown to her Australian Championship title and is now retired to the luxury of family life with the children.

    I have my top dog on Dogzonline. Not every kennel on Dogzonline even has any dogs on the Dogzonline profile, it is not a prerequisite to have dog profiles posted and if you do you are limited to how many you can have. Not that it is any of your business what dogs I put up for profiles anyway.

    No dogs are not herd animals like horses they are PACK ANIMALS and if living naturally as nature intended would be living in Packs without human intervention. They are also not meant to be locked away and neglected, they thrive on each others and human company and loving attention. I am here 24/7 with my dogs unless showing or competing in an ANKC registered sport. As stated my dogs live the farm life, go bush riding, swim in dams, roll in horse manure and will even eat it. Oops I suppose that would be too yuck to mention on here, dogs doing what comes naturally.

    My puppies are whelped inside the house and are well socialised. I don't allow potential purchasers to view the puppies until after they are vaccinated at 6 weeks of age. The health and well being of my puppies is first and foremost and if people aren't happy with this then they can purchase a puppy elsewhere. I email out photo updates of each and every puppy weekly and by the time people come to see them they are in the Puppy Kindergarden. This is their special area set aside just for puppies that is filled with tugs, balls, toys etc. to stimulate their learning and where prospective purchasers can come and meet the puppies and play and interact with them. They are welcome stay for as long as they like up to an hour playing with the puppies and also to meet the other dogs. Puppies still need their rest so I limit the time to a maximum of an hour at a time. All purchasers are given 100% lifetime support and puppy pack on raising, training, diseases and everything to do with the breed.

    All my dogs are fully DNA profiled for all the Border Collie diseases. I have imported U.K. semen and also some lovely Border Collies from New Zealand over the years to keep bringing in new bloodlines into Australia. This helps ensure that there is no inbreeding and that the lines are not getting too close. I only breed for the betterment and welfare of the Border Collie breed never to suit someone's fancy.

    I know dog show people that work full time and also have puppies. They aren't classed as Puppy Farmers and even though away most of the day, 5 days a weeks, still raise loving happy healthy puppies. For them it isn't the amount of time spent with their puppies but the quality of time spent with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boomarti View Post
    Of course I don't have puppies all of the time, I stated I have puppies throughout the year, you would need at least 12 bitches cycling continually each on a different month to achieve this anyway, impossible! My litters are very carefully planned and I own bitches that have never even been bred from. A lot of dogs that are owned by me live in loving family homes in Geelong and the surrounding area. I am currently showing 4 bitches and a dog as well as training some for Endurance, this takes up a good part of every day. 3 of my dogs live with a friend and are training for Agility. As I stated the Bull Terrier is owned and lives with my daughter, she was shown to her Australian Championship title and is now retired to the luxury of family life with the children.

    I have my top dog on Dogzonline. Not every kennel on Dogzonline even has any dogs on the Dogzonline profile, it is not a prerequisite to have dog profiles posted and if you do you are limited to how many you can have. Not that it is any of your business what dogs I put up for profiles anyway.

    No dogs are not herd animals like horses they are PACK ANIMALS and if living naturally as nature intended would be living in Packs without human intervention. They are also not meant to be locked away and neglected, they thrive on each others and human company and loving attention. I am here 24/7 with my dogs unless showing or competing in an ANKC registered sport. As stated my dogs live the farm life, go bush riding, swim in dams, roll in horse manure and will even eat it. Oops I suppose that would be too yuck to mention on here, dogs doing what comes naturally.

    My puppies are whelped inside the house and are well socialised. I don't allow potential purchasers to view the puppies until after they are vaccinated at 6 weeks of age. The health and well being of my puppies is first and foremost and if people aren't happy with this then they can purchase a puppy elsewhere. I email out photo updates of each and every puppy weekly and by the time people come to see them they are in the Puppy Kindergarden. This is their special area set aside just for puppies that is filled with tugs, balls, toys etc. to stimulate their learning and where prospective purchasers can come and meet the puppies and play and interact with them. They are welcome stay for as long as they like up to an hour playing with the puppies and also to meet the other dogs. Puppies still need their rest so I limit the time to a maximum of an hour at a time. All purchasers are given 100% lifetime support and puppy pack on raising, training, diseases and everything to do with the breed.

    All my dogs are fully DNA profiled for all the Border Collie diseases. I have imported U.K. semen and also some lovely Border Collies from New Zealand over the years to keep bringing in new bloodlines into Australia. This helps ensure that there is no inbreeding and that the lines are not getting too close. I only breed for the betterment and welfare of the Border Collie breed never to suit someone's fancy.

    I know dog show people that work full time and also have puppies. They aren't classed as Puppy Farmers and even though away most of the day, 5 days a weeks, still raise loving happy healthy puppies. For them it isn't the amount of time spent with their puppies but the quality of time spent with them.
    Hi Boormarti

    That is what I'd be looking for in a breeder what you say here... I didn't know dogs online limits how many profiles you can put up. I'm just saying what it looks like - what something is perceived as - isn't always the same as what it is as I'm sure you know. I will tell people who come looking for a puppy here - that a website full of glowing testimonials is not enough and that often the best breeders are crap with internet - no website and don't respond well to emails. I always tell people looking for a puppy to go meet the parent dogs at the place where the puppies are bred... and ideally to go meet the breeders at dog events like shows or agility comps etc.

    Because then the would be puppy owners can see what they're likely to be getting and the breeder can see what kind of new home their precious puppy might be getting.

    As a semantic thing - I read "throughout the year" as any time I want a puppy - you will have one available. I imagine I'm not the only person who reads that phrase that way. Do the enquiries you do get - suggest that too? Ie Why would you put up dogs that you don't breed on dogs online and definitely explain that you plan litters and people might enquire when a puppy might be available - without suggesting it's any time all the time.

    I'm going to close or delete this thread soon because it has many many pages for everyone to wade through. The person who started the thread never came back and told us where or if he got a puppy. And he certainly didn't follow our advice about meeting breeders at breed social events or competitions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Hi Boormarti

    That is what I'd be looking for in a breeder what you say here... I didn't know dogs online limits how many profiles you can put up. I'm just saying what it looks like - what something is perceived as - isn't always the same as what it is as I'm sure you know. I will tell people who come looking for a puppy here - that a website full of glowing testimonials is not enough and that often the best breeders are crap with internet - no website and don't respond well to emails. I always tell people looking for a puppy to go meet the parent dogs at the place where the puppies are bred... and ideally to go meet the breeders at dog events like shows or agility comps etc.

    Because then the would be puppy owners can see what they're likely to be getting and the breeder can see what kind of new home their precious puppy might be getting.

    As a semantic thing - I read "throughout the year" as any time I want a puppy - you will have one available. I imagine I'm not the only person who reads that phrase that way. Do the enquiries you do get - suggest that too? Ie Why would you put up dogs that you don't breed on dogs online and definitely explain that you plan litters and people might enquire when a puppy might be available - without suggesting it's any time all the time.

    I'm going to close or delete this thread soon because it has many many pages for everyone to wade through. The person who started the thread never came back and told us where or if he got a puppy. And he certainly didn't follow our advice about meeting breeders at breed social events or competitions.
    Not one enquiry has thought that throughout the year means puppies all the time. They always start with when will there be puppies available. If I'm expecting a litter I say when they are due. Sometimes prospective purchasers wait 12 months or more. They are always welcome to come and visit the adult dogs or prospective parents or meet us at shows, which quite a few do. Some even deciding that showing is the way they want to go too with their family pet.

    I'm a bit over this as you don't seem to have much of an idea about show dogs etc. and how much time and effort we as breeders put into our chosen breed. The huge cost of DNA testing etc. and show entries and travel. It is not a cheap sport and the rewards are meeting people, seeing my loved puppies going to their loving new homes and if we have a win even better.

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    I'm a bit over this as you don't seem to have much of an idea about show dogs etc. and how much time and effort we as breeders put into our chosen breed. The huge cost of DNA testing etc. and show entries and travel. It is not a cheap sport and the rewards are meeting people, seeing my loved puppies going to their loving new homes and if we have a win even better.
    I know exactly what a good show breeder puts into their dogs in terms of time and money. I also know what puppy farms do. And some of your ads looked the same as the puppy farm ones. Don't blame me and others for thinking that. Go edit your ads.

    I will be deleting this thread soon, that way nothing bad or good about your kennels will be here.

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