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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Maybe the puppy ate his computer.

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    Well..... We were never given any exciting news!!!

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    I got really excited when i saw that someone posted in this thread... only found more disappointment

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    Quote Originally Posted by This name is invalid View Post
    Okay, if we were to get a BC (which is looking likely at the moment, but you never know with this family ), do you think this breeder would be good: VO NRAYP ARK?
    The ad looks good, but I think that she breeds them several times a year because there's another litter that will be ready at the end of the month. Do you think that this is acceptable?
    I know this is a really really late reply.
    But, i wouldn't recommend 'Vonr ayP ark' Border Collies.
    It's a puppy farm and the breeder doesn't give any support and guidance what so ever.
    How do i know?
    I actually have a border collie myself that we got from Von rayPar k, our turned out to be beautiful but has high severe anxiety issues and is medicated everyday.
    When we first got her she didn't eat for 3 days and we didn't get any support from the breeder- it was truly disgusting.
    Last edited by Hyacinth; 01-12-2015 at 04:20 PM. Reason: attempt to avoid lawyer fees

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    So after quickly browsing through this massive thread, I NEED to know... did you get a dog???
    http://www.dogforum.com.au/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=7912&dateline=1420265  941

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    Bronstoganoff

    It would be helpful if you ask your vet to submit details to the LIDA database Uni NSW - so they can see if a pattern develops.

    Best to be a little bit vague when saying nasty things about anyone and identifying them (so that google can find your comment) - the truth might be a defence but it's still expensive.

    BonnieDoggy
    No idea how this dog hunt ended - I suspect his family may have gone to a backyard breeder or petshop - and he's too embarrassed to come back and tell us. It did seem an impossible quest and he wasn't very interested in actually following the advice we suggested to find a suitable dog.

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    Default Milangimbi Kennels.

    link to post that boormarti is responding
    http://www.dogforum.com.au/general-d...tml#post166320

    There's a bunch of posts following that show where the info came from.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nattylou View Post
    Do you have a link for where all this information comes from? The lists of dogs and puppies available all year?
    I'm not a Puppy Farmer. I am a member Dogs Victoria, formerly Victorian Canine Association, formerly Kennel Control Council since 1977. Before that I was a member of the South Australian Canine Association. Also a foundation member of the Border Collie Club of Victoria. Have been in the past a member of the Australian Silky Terrier Club of Victoria, Bull Terrier Club of Victoria and also the German Shorthaired Pointer Club of Victoria.

    I started showing Afghan Hounds in 1974 and then onto Border Collies and Australian Silky Terriers in 1977. Then in the 1984 I purchased my first German Shorthaired Pointer for hunting but she was such an outstanding specimen that I started showing her as well. She attained her Australian Championship title and also produced some stunning puppies that were shown with huge success and attained their Australian Championship titles. My daughter's went into Bull Terriers in the 80's and I showed them for them. I also had great success with this lovely breed in the ring. They never lived with me but came to me on weekends to attend the many shows I attended.

    Showing all these lovely breeds and attaining so many Australian Championships, winning 2 Best In Shows plus many many Groups along the way titles plus Obedience titles, one dog winning Best In Trial and also the many Endurance Titles over the years. I've never heard of a Puppy Farmer showing or competing with their dogs or spending so much money on them with entries etc. Plus DNA testing all stock.

    My dogs are my family and when I read this about me I was devastate, how people jump to conclusions just because I am a dog lover and love more than one breed saddens me. For anyone's information I currently have 1 Afghan Hound that belongs to my elderly mother who is in a home. I take this lovely old dog to visit her whenever I go interstate to see her. I have my lovely German Shorthaired Pointer bitch that I imported from New Zealand 7 years ago, she has just attained her Endurance Title and also my beloved Border Collies. I have attained 2 Australian Championships and 1 Endurance Title with my Borders recently and also have another 2 well on the way to their Australian Championship titles.

    Visitors are most welcome to come and meet my dogs, they live on 64 acres and enjoy the country life, swimming in dams, following along on my bush trail rides and the daily life and freedom of living in the country.
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    Hi Boormarti

    There are plenty of people we consider puppy farmers that are still affiliated via their respective state body to ANKC ie ANKC registered breeders.

    If you google Milangimbi kennels, you will come across ads on hot frog and well bred pets that suggest you are still breeding GSP and Bull terriers etc.

    German Shorthaired Pointer,Bull Terrier,Border Collie, dog breeder - Milangimbi Kennels

    So our criteria for puppy farm is - has so many dogs (and puppies) cannot possibly give each sufficient people time to have them be nicely socialised. And there have been several members on this forum who have had exactly this problem of grumpy puppies that don't get along with people or other dogs - that have purchased from one of these breeders.

    There is no current information for your kennel online - not even a dogsonline - you might want to fix that up.

    Responsible breeders (ANKC affilated or not) meet this criteria from the RSPCA.
    What is a responsible companion animal breeder? - RSPCA Australia knowledgebase

    A responsible companion animal breeder will:

    1. Conscientiously attempt to match the demand of animals with the supply - in this way they proactively avoid creating an oversupply of animals.


    2. Provide a high standard of care and living conditions for their animals - animals are kept in a clean environment with adequate high quality food and water and are given the opportunity to exercise, play and lead a normal life.

    3. Demonstrate a genuine concern for the animals in their care - they tend to ask prospective buyers many questions and ensure that the new owner and the animal will be a good match.


    4. Be open and transparent and provide a complete history of the animal - the breeder will provide you with documentation relating to the animal such as veterinary records.


    5. Be aware of any known inherited disorders for their particular breed and take active steps to prevent/reduce the incidence of that disorder. They also avoid mating closely related animals.

    6. Provide ongoing support and information to the new owner - the breeder will give their full contact details and encourage you to call them if you have any questions or concerns.

    7. Generally provide a guarantee (timeframes may vary) - responsible breeders will often ask you to bring the puppy back to them if it doesn't work out in order to ensure the welfare of the pup.


    8. Provide references on request - the breeder provides you with references from reputable sources such as their veterinarian or people who have purchased puppies from them in the past.

    10. Comply with the relevant local and state/territory legislation and codes of practice including any registration and licensing requirements.
    This is what the ANKC requires as well but neither the ANKC or the RSPCA seem to enforce. It's entirely voluntary whether you do or not - and unfortunately from what is available on the web about your kennels - with multiple breeds and comments about "puppies always available" - it makes you look the same as a puppy farm.

    Now is your opportunity to set the record straight for us.

    I'm happy to go back into the depths of this thread and remove your prefix from the problem posts too. Just post that you'd like us to do so. I try to do that as we go along but the person who started this thread was so infuriating - that I missed this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Hi Boormarti

    There are plenty of people we consider puppy farmers that are still affiliated via their respective state body to ANKC ie ANKC registered breeders.

    If you google Milangimbi kennels, you will come across ads on hot frog and well bred pets that suggest you are still breeding GSP and Bull terriers etc.

    German Shorthaired Pointer,Bull Terrier,Border Collie, dog breeder - Milangimbi Kennels

    So our criteria for puppy farm is - has so many dogs (and puppies) cannot possibly give each sufficient people time to have them be nicely socialised. And there have been several members on this forum who have had exactly this problem of grumpy puppies that don't get along with people or other dogs - that have purchased from one of these breeders.

    There is no current information for your kennel online - not even a dogsonline - you might want to fix that up.

    Responsible breeders (ANKC affilated or not) meet this criteria from the RSPCA.
    What is a responsible companion animal breeder? - RSPCA Australia knowledgebase



    This is what the ANKC requires as well but neither the ANKC or the RSPCA seem to enforce. It's entirely voluntary whether you do or not - and unfortunately from what is available on the web about your kennels - with multiple breeds and comments about "puppies always available" - it makes you look the same as a puppy farm.

    Now is your opportunity to set the record straight for us.

    I'm happy to go back into the depths of this thread and remove your prefix from the problem posts too. Just post that you'd like us to do so. I try to do that as we go along but the person who started this thread was so infuriating - that I missed this one.
    Thank you for your reply. So it doesn't seem a dog lover can't have more than one breed by the looks of it and if has a few dogs then they don't get the time and attention needed. This is so stupid and judgmental. I am home 24/7 with my dogs, they do many activities besides showing. Am currently training a few for Endurance and 2 gained their Endurance titles just over a week ago, one with my imported German Shorthaired Pointer (haven't heard of Puppy Farmers importing dogs either to bring in new bloodlines for the betterment of the breed) and the other with my home bred Border Collie who is also half way to her Australian Championship title. I also gained the very first Endurance title with a Bull Terrier who was also an Australian Champion multi In Show and In Group winner.

    My old Border Collie bitch just recently gained her Australian Championship title at 14 years and 4 months of age. She is still fit and healthy and showing the young ones how it is done. She is Chocolate and White. I've titled Australian Champions in nearly all colours now and was the pioneer of breeding Blue Merle Border Collies by importing semen from the very first Blue Merle Champion in the world. I also am the only person to breed and show the only Blue Merle Australian Champion in Australia.

    Over the years I have imported many dogs to bring in new lines. All my dogs are DNA'd for all Border Collie diseases. This has cost me tens of thousands of dollars. I will not breed from any dog that is not DNA'd for all three diseases.

    I've lost count of the number of titles my dogs have but have included Obedience, winning Best In Trial, Australian Champions with Best In Show winners, Herding titles, Endurance titles, Agility titles and Flyball titles. Do you have any idea how much training and time goes into all these titles.? My life revolves around my dogs and they are with me all the time.

    All my puppies are well socialised before leaving for their new homes. Many are return clients over the years.

    I am a foundation member of The Border Collie Club of Victoria. Have also been a member of The Australian Silky Terrier Club of Victoria, The Bull Terrier Club of Victoria, The German Shorthaired Pointer Club of Victoria, The Geelong Obedience Dog Club and The Mount Gambier Obedience Dog Club.

    My kennels are on Dogzonline: Dogz Online Member Profile

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