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    Quote Originally Posted by This name is invalid View Post
    Okay, if we were to get a BC (which is looking likely at the moment, but you never know with this family ), do you think this breeder would be good: VONRA YPA RK?
    The ad looks good, but I think that she breeds them several times a year because there's another litter that will be ready at the end of the month. Do you think that this is acceptable?
    I know of them and some of their dogs.....I have trained a few of their puppies, with their new owner.........they have been great dogs
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    Quote Originally Posted by newfsie View Post
    I know of them and some of their dogs.....I have trained a few of their puppies, with their new owner.........they have been great dogs
    Awesome! That's very reassuring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nattylou View Post
    My dog is advertised as a stud dog, yet has had one mating, to my own bitch for one litter. I used to have another breed, a couple of salukis that I showed in co ownership with their breeders. They were otherwise our pets. The male was available to stud (never used). My dogs at home, are my family first and foremost. If I show them, or occasionally breed them it is secondary to that.

    My only point being, face value can be a dangerous thing. Here we have a breeder that appears to have several decades of involvement in a breed, who has appropriate awards and titles and health testing certificates for her dogs, being publicly named as a puppy farmer in a negative sense, based on assumption and possible misinformation.

    Yes we should be careful we don't buy from someone disreputable, who doesn't have their dogs and their breeds' interests at heart. But equally we should be wary of tarring every breeder with the same brush.

    Unfortunately common sense is nt all that common these days, and passion often overwhelms it. A middle ground is the best place to stand and make important decisions.
    Your right Natty, My conclusion was drawn from limited information, although they say they have litters all year round and from the few sites i looked at they have a lot of different dogs in competion and how many more at home breeding is anyones guess.

    I guess I have a different view of what i class as a "puppy farm". To me, anyone who has more dogs than they can properly care for, who spend the majority of their lives in kennels enduring a lessor quality of life, breeding 10-20 or more litters every year, keeping some to breed on with, selling off the rest when there are already to many homeless dogs now....is a puppy farm, with there own interest before those of the animals.

    Dogs are domesticated animals, to use them for your own profit or personal agenda is wrong, they need to run everyday, sleep on the couch sometimes, swim in the dam and follow you around. If you cant do that everyday, for every dog....you have to many, no matter what spin you put on it..

    The public perception of a "puppy farm" is dirty, matted under fed poor souls, but that is not always the case, to leave animals in kennels without much human contact or love is just as cruel, no matter what spin you put on it.

    We have large designer and purebred kennels that breed all year, sell dozens or even hundreds of puppies every year in some cases, there animals are clean, well fed, have breeding programs, health checks, but next to no human contact, toys, play etc....this is as cruel as the dirty puppy farmers.

    The sooner we get legislation in place to limit the amount of dogs any one person or property may own, the sooner we can get rid of puppy farmers. If you cant make enough money off breeding from less than 10 dogs, the puppy farms wont bother.
    And you will have have more people breeding less puppies for all the right reasons.

    Sorry Matt, have hijacked your thread again
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    Okay, it's down to three. We all seem to like (but I can't be sure with this mob ) brittanies, tollers and BCs. Does anyone think that one in particular would suit us best?

    I'm a bit worried that a BC will reacted the worst to being left alone (start getting bored easily, being destructive). Or will the other breeds be just as bad? Also, is there anything you would recommend to keep the dog occupied when it's alone?

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    Plenty of exercise, especially in the morning before you leave. And there are a few threads here on how to keep dogs occupied when you're out. Maybe do a search on "kong". That is one that lots of members use, though my dog has never been too keen on them. But there are lots of other ideas too.

    BCs are very energetic dogs and you can be pretty sure that they will try to escape or destroy things if they do not get the stimulation they need. I don't know anything about the other two.

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    All three breeds have potential to get bored, they are intelligent and active breeds. But most breeds can, don't be especially put off by it.

    I think you've narrowed down to lovely choices. Training and management will be a part of any dog's behaviour, as well as individual personality.

    I have to be biased and say that I adore Brittanys. Although Tollers are beautiful too.

    Availability may play a part in your final choice too.

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    Border Collies require a lot of training to keep their agile brain amused as well as lots of exercise.
    My learning curve is as steep as hers as I we do Puppy preschool and have started clicker training.
    I have/make the time but you may not have that option. I can see it will be essential to do agility/obedience as well as walks or she will find fifteen ways to amuse herself that I won't like!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    Plenty of exercise, especially in the morning before you leave. And there are a few threads here on how to keep dogs occupied when you're out. Maybe do a search on "kong". That is one that lots of members use, though my dog has never been too keen on them. But there are lots of other ideas too.

    BCs are very energetic dogs and you can be pretty sure that they will try to escape or destroy things if they do not get the stimulation they need. I don't know anything about the other two.
    Thanks.
    I'll do a search now...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nattylou View Post
    All three breeds have potential to get bored, they are intelligent and active breeds. But most breeds can, don't be especially put off by it.

    I think you've narrowed down to lovely choices. Training and management will be a part of any dog's behaviour, as well as individual personality.

    I have to be biased and say that I adore Brittanys. Although Tollers are beautiful too.

    Availability may play a part in your final choice too.
    Thanks for that.
    And you're right about availability too. Getting a brittany or a toller will probably mean a long wait, but one of the upsides of BCs are that they're very popular and there are plenty of breeders.

    Quote Originally Posted by farrview View Post
    Border Collies require a lot of training to keep their agile brain amused as well as lots of exercise.
    My learning curve is as steep as hers as I we do Puppy preschool and have started clicker training.
    I have/make the time but you may not have that option. I can see it will be essential to do agility/obedience as well as walks or she will find fifteen ways to amuse herself that I won't like!
    Thanks. How much time do you spend exercising and training yours each day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nattylou View Post
    All three breeds have potential to get bored, they are intelligent and active breeds. But most breeds can, don't be especially put off by it.

    I think you've narrowed down to lovely choices. Training and management will be a part of any dog's behaviour, as well as individual personality.

    I have to be biased and say that I adore Brittanys. Although Tollers are beautiful too.

    Availability may play a part in your final choice too.
    And cost.....Two of your chosen are not cheap

    I have a Border Colli Cross......She is walked (as are the others 5km in the morning pre-work.....She actively still hunts around the garden when the others are asleep before I go to work. She goes with us on training rides in the arena, the newf's just lie around....we go for another evening walk and she has free run of our paddocks when we get hom....We also do Obedience and agility with her. And she goes tracking.......They require a lot of interesting things to do. Tessa has never dug, chewed or been a barker
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    I think I want to come back as one of Newfies dogs
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