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    Default What appears to be jealousy? resource gaurding?

    As a dog owner, i am finding owning a bitch very different. I seriously have never considered that there would be gender differences.

    Pohm, now 8 months old, has this behaviour:
    When Bernie 9Adult GSD) greets me as i walk into the garden, she will come and put herself between us, she too wanting cuddles. She is built like a wombat, and just shoves Bernie out the way.

    How would/could/should this be interpreted, and what response should i give?
    Its like she's possessive of me, rather than jealous. Perhaps seeing me as a resource to guard. She's never aggro about it, just shoving and doing her snakey dance for cuddles.
    Im currently ignoring her when she does this.

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    Have the exact same problem. When i come home i HAVE to pat Miss M first because it's near impossible to get near the other two! She just sits or jumps all over them until i get to her, or if i'm on the couch patting one, she walks over the top of them or wiggles her way through so she is in front (i don't know how she does it!) I have no idea how to get her out of it either, i just figured it was because I was her Mum (the other two are my mums) and she was letting them know that or i figured it's because she was the first dog around before the other two, so she's just trying to show dominance...

    Or maybe it's just a female thing. Lol

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    I have the same problem with my new girl Molly! Whenever my other dog Meika comes up to greet me, Molly will shove herself between us or even if i'm patting Meika she will put her head under my arm/hand and push it away. I think it's just a loving gesture but can be mighty annoying!
    What i've been doing to try and stop it is asking Molly to 'sit' every time she comes to me for attention, even if Meika isn't around, and only patting her when she's sitting nice and quietly, I just ignore her when she's trying to get in my face. It can be a long process before she gets a pat sometimes but she's slowly learning that she gets more attention if she sits still and waits quietly

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    If she does that i would ignore her and walk away...I do not like being the resource. We have three bitches and you are right they are different. The boy is chilled. The girls are constantly checking everything. So when that happens i just say "enough" and walk away.....A little later i might call the dogs one at the time and pet them. but as soon as they push in I walk away/ignore. I remove the resource,
    Pets are forever

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    I've always found males, not including those traumatised, fairly simple and uncomplicated. If there's a problem, someone starts a punch up, it's usually over, unless one challenges very young, matures and decides he'll have another go. Females, tho'... I find they rarely forget a challenge, that they can carry on really dirty guerilla wars, for years. They seem to be able to carry resentments and like revenge, are quite capable of serving it cold. They can wait until their rival is weak, until they are not with their supportive dog chums or until there is no supervising human. They can hug it to them, for years.

    Most girls, being girls, know they can use their girliness to push their luck, in dog etiquette, when there is a male around... If there isn't likely to be another female who objects. I suspect she is doing the same thing that women do, when they say they don't want anything to eat, then eat off a boyfriend's plate. It's basically breaking etiquette, with a larger, stronger mate/potential mate. Do you like me enough to not object? If you object, will you not complain/stop me, because you desire me, because I am special... It's seen in a lot of mammals. Definitely goes on, desexed or not. (Or, it must be said, it can be because the male is just too goodnatured or doesn't feel ownership of the sneaked trespass).

    The female is more deadly than the male. It's not sexist. It's fact.

    I think male dogs have exactly the same feeling of complete inability to understand females, as do male humans. Perhaps they are even simpler and aren't aware that she's playing him and mentally so far from his comprehension that he doesn't understand that he doesn't understand, and things happen and it is probably due to the fridge god or the car god or the vet devil or dumb luck, and it isn't ever going to be understood and he never even questions fate. Things are, or not. I write this lightheartedly, but the sentiment, I believe true. She's pushing in front, cos she can. She's working/worked out where she can ignore his prior/stronger claims. Where he draws the line. He sounds pretty easygoing. If she were posting on this, her username would probably be GIRLSRULE or COSICAN. He's just so pleased he's got a resident girl. When she's on heat, she's all his... Thankfully for his ever sunny mood, he can't keep track of time.

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    Lol, that sounds like me to my OH!

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    My dog does this too. The link that Newfsie posted about trainers having to change their ways regards wolf myths and dominance bumf, has something in it about dogs having a kind of short term jealousy. ie they can be envious of what the other dog has and try to get it for themselves.

    I figure my dog just likes cuddles.

    If you don't want to encourage it, don't reward it with attention or cuddles, just walk away.

    And given you do want to encourage your dog enjoying cuddles from you (i hope), make a game of it and set a criteria for her to get her cuddles eg holding a nice sit-stay and waiting her turn. It would be ok to cue/ask her to sit-stay and then make sure she gets her turn.

    With me I'm happy to give my dog cuddles - given she's my dog. As long as she's not aggro and doesn't upset or step on any other dogs in the process, in which case then I ignore and walk away (after getting her off the other dog). Nobody gets any cuddles / pats.

    I'm not at all happy if some other dog that isn't mine - shoves my dog away because it wants all the pats. That's not ok. Depending how persistant it is, I will push it away with my foot and yell at the owner to come and get it. One dog I grabbed because it actually snarled at my dog to drive her away from me. And that dog had a go at me. I reported it to council animal control. Nasty dog. Same day it drew blood on two smaller dogs as well. The owner didn't speak English at all well, and had no clue how to manage the dog. It doesn't come to that park any more.

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    Well I don't think that's a female thing. Sammy does that to me when Zoe comes over for a pat, and sometimes even when Dan comes over for a hug. I believe it's him claiming me slightly, because he will on occasion growl at Zoe if she tries to come near me when he's having hug time. I correct this because I can decide who I want to hug, not him and he doesn't challenge me at all on it, he just goes off and sulks. I just think he puts himself 2nd in command under me and he doesn't want to share with those that he sees as being beneath him (which is just about everyone but me and maybe Dan when I'm not angry with him and throwing him out of the house...) Dobermanns can be one owner dogs though and they are not known for being overly social so might also be a breed thing - GSD's might be the same as another typically more dominant breed. According to my dog club though it's not uncommon for male dogs to be a bit dominant with their owners if they are female. It doesn't mean they challenge them or don't listen to them, but I think females have a different energy a lot of the time that is less assertive and outgoing from men, so the dogs just feel more protective and that in turn puts them in a more dominant position.

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    i'm voting that its just a female thing. Strange creatures those females

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    The dog that pushed out my dog and tried to attack her for "cuddles" was a boy dog. It's not a girl dog thing.

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