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    My brother came home to find his female boxer of 5yrs, had done the same thing to their 12 week old staffie pup. Natural selection Vs Murderer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bernie View Post
    My brother came home to find his female boxer of 5yrs, had done the same thing to their 12 week old staffie pup. Natural selection Vs Murderer?
    I call that stupidity. You don't leave a puppy alone with a dog. I certainly don't call it murder, a dog is a dog, the boxer didn't pre-plan to "murder" the puppy. Only people commit murder. It also doesn't take much for a large dog to kill a small puppy.
    Personally my dogs don't spend anytime together when I am not there to supervise and none of my dogs ever will. Sadly dogs fight and dogs die. I am in the process of trying to explain this to some clients of mine who bought two bull arab puppies of the same age, both female. I am waiting on the call to tell me one has been seriously injured or is dead because they are already fighting and they are only 6-7 months old, they refuse to separate them.
    I know of schipperke's who have killed each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuri_89 View Post
    hmm, even though i agree with the natural selection comments - have even mentioned it myself in another thread, & totally agree that your dogs are just being dogs, that people don't feel the same way when a cat kills a bird? I called it Natural selection and was told "don't be silly, cats are an introduced species" so can anybody explain the difference for me - or is it just a 'i hate cats' comment?
    I think that people don't think its such a problem with dogs, because dogs aren't allowed to roam freely by themselves, therefore, the damage they can do is restricted to their own backyard.
    I have cats, who I adore, they are allowed outside but don't leave the back garden and are brought in after dark. They have never caught anything bigger than a skink and that was brought into the house completely unharmed, I guess for them to play with, but I caught it and released it, good as new.

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    K&P is right dogs cannot murder.

    Accidents can happen or one dog may not obviously be quite right in the head. But that is an owner management problem, not a dog problem.

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    It does sound like a peewee bird. I think you need to consider birds are very good at keeping themselves safe and out of harms way. The parents teach their young survival skills pretty much from when they hatch. And in the bird world it is definitely survival of the fittest. Even in the nest the weakest bird will sometimes be used as food for the others. Gross I know but true and this is the wonderful way in which nature weaves her magic.

    My guess is this bird was probably already sick or injured hence your dogs were able to catch him. If it wasn't your dogs that got him it could have been the neighbours cat, a car, or someone else's dog. Heck the poor bird could have starved to death or died a slow lingering death. Just maybe your dogs did the bird a favour.

    Sometimes wildlife are also fed by us well meaning humans and these animals then loose their natural instincts of avoiding humans and pets. They become easy targets for dogs and cats.

    My jrt should be the ultimate hunter but he is just not interested. Where as my Cav (who is so lazy she sometimes hides when she sees the lead) would catch and kill a bird in a split second if I gave her half a chance. I have had to remove the odd bird from her mouth on several occasions. It is hard to relate that hunter part of her to her usual placid, easygoing self.

    Your dogs did what dogs do. I guess the only thing I would be watching out for is your dogs do not now target birds just for the hell of it.
    Anyway try to not think about it next time they want to give you a big lick on the lips .... lol.
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    I know that dogs will be dogs and it is natural for them to have a prey drive. I think I'm more shocked that they could actually catch a bird let alone ever thinking that they would. Well I got a closer look at it today cos Oh didn't do a good enough job throwing it away last night ( left it in a bag on the other side of fence. ) and they got it out and played with it again and it's a pigeon. I'm glad it's a bird caught and not a cat anyway.
    I cannot imagine that Harley would have the patience to stalk a bird and I don't see lily having the carefactor or will to drag her fat arse off the kennel to do anything so I'm thinking it might have been a sicky or maybe mum sent of one of her young ones a bit to early.

    There will defiantly be no kisses for a while espicially after today's day old tasting.

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    I went 'Oh, sad' until you described it as a peewee and then I thought "Meh". Is that bad? My reaction to pigeons is a bit the same. 13 in a dozen and not the brightest of birds.

    My old dog killed a few creatures in her time. I think I got a bit immune to it eventually. I remember the first time I found a dead possum in the yard. Had its belly ripped open. I just did not believe my sweet dog could have done that. I tried to blame the cat, but I didn't really believe that he was big enough to take on a grown possum. Then a couple of years later on a walk I saw my dog kill a possum with one swift shake right before my eyes. It was a young one that was on the ground in the middle of the day and she saw him before I did. She also killed a few of our pet mice. Just could not resist when my daughter had once again forgotten to lock them away properly. We gave the surviving pet mice away eventually. And I did use my dog afterwards to kill wild mice caught in the trap that weren't quite dead. And I also was fine with her killing rabbits. She got quite good at that, but only in her old age.

    I found a dead rat on the loungeroom carpet a couple of weeks ago. I will never know if it was the cat or the dog that killed it, or if they possibly worked together as a team. I was very happy to see it dead, though! No more smelly rat poo and wee in the garage!

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    as said above. it's nature, their dog's it's a natural instinct to chase things like that.

    i wouldn't read too much into it (would be different if it was another dog).
    "He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion" Author Unknown

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    I agree wholeheartedly Keira, bloody stupid. There are a awful LOT of bloody stupid dog owners.

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    I take Bernie rabbiting. Pohm now comes too. They instinctual do what they need to do, badly. In 3 yrs, he's only caught 1. But he LOVES the chase, and has never transferred this behaviour to domestic animals, so seems to get, i can chase a rabbit, but not a duck/chicken, thankfully.

    I see him as a hunter not a murderer in this scenario. And that makes me feel like a huntress, once lol

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