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    Though I am proud when I take my dog out to do what dogs do that I can recall her when she is chasing the galahs for example. Or prevent her from going up to a dog on leash with one quiet word. Or stop her dead in her tracks with a Stay. I don't do it to show off, I do it to keep the dog safe and prevent her from being a nuisance to others so I can afford to give her the freedom to do dog stuff when we're out, if you know what I mean. But I am still very proud of my training successes nevertheless!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cuttlefish View Post
    "Hi Villain, not offended by your disagreement at all, be a weird old world if we all agreed on everything! I have been on all sorts of forms for more years than I care to remember and they are always good place for gentle disagreement, that's what makes it so much fun!

    I think what some of the post readers failed to get was I was simply making the point that 'do you walk your mutt to let others see what a top trainer YOU are and what a brillantly trained dog he is or do you take him/her for a walk so the pooch can just be a dawg, revel in doing the things he loves and suck in those exotic smells!'

    As I clearly said control still has to be maintained throughout!

    Before your next 'walkies' get down on eye level with your boy or girl and ask "do you wanna trot along behind my left heel, proudly erect, perfectly profiled and be a shining example of how I have trained you to a peak of ruthless efficiency or do you wanna get down and dirty in the grass, find some really great smelly stuff, have a scratch or two or three, pee on the other guys patch of grass and just have fun doing what dogs do .........!"

    It's gotta be a no brainer, well from the dogs point of view anyway!

    Condescending? Come on Villain, reread my post but read this first, please!

    Definition of condescending: "showing contempt for others, adopting a superior attitude, belittling or mocking, intimidating" ......................... yer kidding right?

    Thanks for reply to post!
    In deference to others on this forum whose opinions I respect, I have gone back, read and re-read the opening post- and I'm very sincerely sorry to say that I simply cannot find the humor in it. I cannot find humour in a dog owner who applies strict training principals without understanding the consequences and without acknowledging that his or her dog is a sentient being. I just dont find this funny- I find it stupid, but not in a "ha ha" kind of way.

    I'm glad the OP has seen the error of his or her ways, sure, but I continue also to find subtle undertones of condescension (yes, CF, I know what the word means and I apply it correctly) towards those of us who train our dogs to whatever standard we feel is appropriate for us.

    Do I walk my mutt(s) to show off what a fantastic trainer I am? No, I dont. I walk with my mutt(s) to enjoy their company and companionship and to get exercise and to enjoy the outdoors.

    Do I TRAIN my dogs to show off what a fantastic trainer I am? No, I dont. I train my dogs to increase their competence and confidence in the world, thus increasing their freedom to be with me in a far wider range of activities than if they did not know how to make good choices for themselves in a variety of settings.

    I would invite Cuttlefish to visit me at home if he/she would like to see two well balanced, confident, calm, content mutt(s). I'd like you, Cuttlefish, to see the reaction from my mutt(s) when I say "You wanna go training?"- That word "training" is the best word ever in my dogs' book. "Training" means "fun", it means "awesome", it means "the mutt(s) are going to get something they want and enjoy".

    You see, dogs are hedonists. They want what is going to benefit them. If walking in a heel is going to bring more benefit to them than sniffing, and I provide that benefit to them, then "getting down at eye level and asking them what they want" is going to result in the clear communication that they want....... what will benefit most.

    Cuttlefish, you are making a common error that I see week in week out when I instruct my training classes- YOU are making the assumption (and decision) about what your dog actually wants as opposed to letting him or her chose what they actually want (ie the thing that brings the most benefit).

    For example, Ronald the Alsation may absolutely want that bit of liver treat he is going to get from heeling so well, it is entirely possible he might just value that bit of liver treat in this moment far more than having a sniff. In another moment, the sniff may be more appealing, and a good handler will be able to spot the difference and work with the dog. On the other hand, you arent giving your boy the opportunity- you are deciding fo him that he wants to do "what dogs do"- but is this his construct, or yours?

    I understand on the vast majority of occasions what my dog is going to find of most benefit in that immediate moment and I make sure the dog can have it- but not for free. My mutt(s) work for their benefits and thus attribute a higher level of value for them- and for me as "the giver of all good things". Free stuff to a dog is... well, not very interesting for long.

    I have one mutt who loves to splash in puddles, and one who prefers to walk around the puddles. One who loves to sniff, one who has always naturally preferred to walk beside me. Both, however, go nuts at the word "training" and also greet the appearance of the leash with obvious pleasure. Once again, I return to my original point-

    You will get out of your dog what you put in, and assuming every dog trained to peak efficiency is miserable is an error. Look at working dogs- it would be hard to deny that they are trained to the highest level of efficiency yet have enormously rewarding and satsfying existences.

    So no, Cuttlefish, it is not a no-brainer at all, really, is it?
    Last edited by Villain & Flirtt; 04-15-2012 at 03:28 PM. Reason: typos

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    Sorry Villain, subject closed for me!

    Your reply lowers the standard to that of my twelve year old grandson, gets childish from here on with the "I meant you said" sort of rubbish.

    Not going to go there - kids stuff!

    Thanks for replies nonetheless!
    Last edited by cuttlefish; 04-15-2012 at 05:15 PM. Reason: Typo

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    Cuttlefish your last post is quite rude . *and I see you have edited it now*

    As you said , it would be extremely boring if we all agreed. V&F wrote a well informed,polite post and as such should be awarded the respect it deserves. You dont have to agree with someone to respect their right to voice their views.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cuttlefish View Post
    Dear oh dear oh dear! Pinkie, lighten up a little eh! How the Forum Purists like you thrive on coming down hard on ordinary people who try their best to submit a simple and honest post is really sad! Probably you are a nice person and have an above average knowledge of dawgs but you know what, try to temper your "holier than you" attitude a little. I posted what I thought was a semi humorous issue that in no way warranted you descending from your mighty heights of criticism and superior knowledge to show we lesser mortals how we but live in your shadows!

    Your comment of "are you trying to stick it to people that do get get results from more regimented method of dog training .........!" You poor person! Only a somewhat off centre brain could come up with a stoopid remark like this following such a simple and non aggressive post! I feel so sorry for you Pinkie!

    You are like those dorks who become semi hysterical when someone dares call their cross mix as a breed! Instant paranoia results with outside abuse at the poor poster for daring to imply his/her pooch is a "breed". Time to get a life and move on!

    Always someone round to stuff up a sensible nd intelligent forum discussion.
    All I did was ask for clarification of what the point of your post was - it was your choice alone to decide that I was adopting a holier than thou attitude, and boy did you ever. Assumptions are never a good thing. You assumed, and you assumed oh so wrong.

    Just because you read your post as humourous does not in any way mean that soemone else on the other side of the computer is going to do the same. I don't know you, I don't know your sense of humour, nor anything else about you, that would enable me to read your post in the way that YOU intended, without actually being you. So, here IS some holier than thou attitude - stick your sorriness where the sun don't shine.

    And as for getting a life, well, thank you very much, I have one - making my termially ill doglet's last days as great as they can be so that her tail wags whenever I am even remotely near, and her eyes follow me around the room.

    Thanks so much for caring. Now, go and suck it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkest View Post
    All I did was ask for clarification of what the point of your post was - it was your choice alone to decide that I was adopting a holier than thou attitude, and boy did you ever. Assumptions are never a good thing. You assumed, and you assumed oh so wrong.

    Just because you read your post as humourous does not in any way mean that soemone else on the other side of the computer is going to do the same. I don't know you, I don't know your sense of humour, nor anything else about you, that would enable me to read your post in the way that YOU intended, without actually being you. So, here IS some holier than thou attitude - stick your sorriness where the sun don't shine.

    And as for getting a life, well, thank you very much, I have one - making my termially ill doglet's last days as great as they can be so that her tail wags whenever I am even remotely near, and her eyes follow me around the room.

    Thanks so much for caring. Now, go and suck it.

    "I'm so sorry you have to go through the sad loss of your obviously much loved dog Pinkie! I sincerely hope she has as little suffering as possible!"

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    Cuttlefish
    this tactic of yours is rude, confrontational, insulting, disprespectful, tactless etc.

    Where are your social skills?

    In England, we call this personality trait, bating. It less popular a trait than manners.

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    How did this thread go to hell witout me noticing.

    Consider it closed. I think Bernie is right. And I really dislike people who back flip on every post.

    Eg
    You are like those dorks who become semi hysterical when someone dares call their cross mix as a breed! Instant paranoia results with outside abuse at the poor poster for daring to imply his/her pooch is a "breed". Time to get a life and move on!
    then backflip
    Hi Villain, not offended by your disagreement at all, be a weird old world if we all agreed on everything! I have been on all sorts of forms for more years than I care to remember and they are always good place for gentle disagreement, that's what makes it so much fun!
    Then backflip again.
    Your reply lowers the standard to that of my twelve year old grandson, gets childish from here on with the "I meant you said" sort of rubbish.

    Not going to go there - kids stuff!
    It's not funny or humourous - it's inflamatory. And I will be a forum purist (not a bad thing in my opinion) and say - it's against the rules.

    PS Cuttlefish is banned.
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