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    Hi guys...first of all i wanted to say thanks to everyone who contributed towards the QLD Mastiff thread. I had no idea it would take off like it did and i learnt a heap from it, especially about breeding and showing. I could have added these questions there since it headed into the show/breeder side of things but i thought i'd start a diffrent thread instead seeing as it's not about Mastiffs in general.

    Now i dont want to show dogs ever but i'd probably go to some local ones soon because some friends of my wife are now showing....just been nosey i guess and my breeder also visits Bundy to show her Bullmastiffs somtimes.

    So my questions are....I was told that desexed dogs cant show. Sorry if thats wrong but if it's so....why ??

    What if a top show dog had to have his nuts removed because of a health issue (cancer or similar??) ?? Is that the end of thier show career ?

    And can a dog still show if it did have a disease or illness that wouldnt affect other dogs around it ??

    Thanks for any info....


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    some shows are running neuter classes but that is correct, only entire dogs can be shown. Because showing is conformation, a part of it is that the dog is presented to be judged if it is a good specimen. In male dogs that means 2 descended testicles which is part of breed standards. Showing is also a good way of judging if an animal is a specimen that conforms to the standard, and as pedigree breeding is about improving the breed through using quality dogs, the idea is that showing goes onto prove they are (in a way) good enough to be bred from. In some countries around the world animals cannot be bred from unless they have gained a minimum scoring from things like showing and temperament tests.

    If a top show dog had his testicles removed he can no longer be part of conformation showing.

    I'm not really a show dog person, my dogs are working lines. They don't conform to the sterotypical show dog look, one especially, but she's still more then good enough to be bred from on main register. They both do though fit in the breed standard.

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    Nice questions Sean,

    And certainly a very important topic worth discussing.

    And I do apologise for hijacking your previous thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekhbet View Post
    In some countries around the world animals cannot be bred from unless they have gained a minimum scoring from things like showing and temperament tests.
    Are you aware NEK if this "minimum scoring" also includes tests for genetic diseases and conditions not visable from the look? And do you know what countries require these regulations?
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    I show on a regular basis so probably qualify to answer your question. Class 18 is the main neuter class that is offered by most shows these days. It is a class unto itself and it's equivalent is Class 10 for the entire dogs, meaning any dog over the age of 6 months can enter. In Class 10 the dogs/bitches must be entire and in Class 18 they must be desexed.

    Very few shows offer the full range of neuter classes 15, 16 & 17 as well.

    Neuter is becoming more popular, many people wanting an introduction into dog showing will come along with their full register but neutered dog and enter the neuter class. You can earn points towards a neuter championship.

    Some people like a friend of mine has one neuter and one entire dog. The only reason she desexed the bitch was she was worried about the neighbours entire bitsa's that are owned by a feral family and she was worried.

    At the Whippet Speciality show we very much encourage our neuters and they are given a big round of applause, get a prize and ribbon just like any other person who wins a class in show. Our secretary who one BIS last year always enters one of her older desexed bitches in neuter an other friend has a beautiful bitch who during her second litter had an emergency desex and she is shown in the neuter class.
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    Thanks guys...thats great to hear desexed dogs have a place in the ring aswell. I could imagine the despair of a top dogs owner if they had to give up thier passion of showing due to a emergency desex or somthing like that.

    CAVQLD....No worries about hijacking, not at all..i just thought it would be a good idea to start another thread and keep things ticking along..

    Interesting about the rules and reg's of other countries....does that mean if you want to show a dog it must come from a dog who has reached the minimum score or does it also apply to breeders who just sell pets ??


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    Showing is an activity in itself so it's good that everyone can show. It's like when we go lure coursing - obviously our dogs are not greyhounds and so will never be the fastest, but we love it and our dogs (Sammy in particular) are wild for it. I think the more activities we have people doing with their dogs, the better. I know that I'm proud of Sammy's ribbons and prizes from winning at lure coursing so I'm glad the people with desexed dogs win ribbons too.

    One thing I do know is that in the country where a lot of my favourite breeds were developed (Germany), the dogs couldn't be bred until they proved their working ability through obtaining Schutzhund titles and what not. Unfortunately this is not the case in Australia and these days it's very hard to convince a breeder overseas with high quality working dogs to even sell their dogs to Australia - they think we will waste them (and hey we probably will - Schutzhund will probably be banned in Australia before you know it).

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    Thank you bottles and mac, interesting information. Mac do they have a neuter class at crufts?

    Bottles, I LOVE the performance based shows, win win for the dogs and there owners.

    I have always wanted to do agility, but the nearest club is one hour away, not sure why, as sammys antics have me short of breath now
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    Quote Originally Posted by cavalierqld View Post
    Thank you bottles and mac, interesting information. Mac do they have a neuter class at crufts?

    Bottles, I LOVE the performance based shows, win win for the dogs and there owners.

    I have always wanted to do agility, but the nearest club is one hour away, not sure why, as sammys antics have me short of breath now
    Haha you should, if the dog loves it you probably will too - I find my dog's enthusiasm infectious. And after you do agility training with your dog, at least in my case, I have noticed a real change in how he gets around, it's like he's into Parkour or something. If there's a log but heaps of other ways to get around, he will still choose to leap over the log (usually several times), tunnels and/or narrow walkways will go through or balance along just for the joy of it. Agility is also how I taught my dog to consider the order of my instructions. So now I can say to him, ok Sammy first go through the tunnel, then we're going to do the jumps and he will race through the tunnel to get to the jumps (even if the jumps are closer to us). You can apply that stuff everywhere - I say to him now, right you want to go for a walk? Well first I need to have a shower. Now normally when I have a shower, he just does his own thing somewhere else, but when it's preceding a walk he lies on the floor in the bathroom and makes exaggerated sigh and groaning noises every few seconds to make sure I remember that he is waiting.

    Ok I have hijacked enough threads, but yeah, you should try agility Crufts I have no idea, tried to google it and it looks like neutered dogs can't enter at the moment, but I could be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean View Post
    Hi guys...first of all i wanted to say thanks to everyone who contributed towards the QLD Mastiff thread. I had no idea it would take off like it did and i learnt a heap from it, especially about breeding and showing. I could have added these questions there since it headed into the show/breeder side of things but i thought i'd start a diffrent thread instead seeing as it's not about Mastiffs in general.

    Now i dont want to show dogs ever but i'd probably go to some local ones soon because some friends of my wife are now showing....just been nosey i guess and my breeder also visits Bundy to show her Bullmastiffs somtimes.

    So my questions are....I was told that desexed dogs cant show. Sorry if thats wrong but if it's so....why ??

    What if a top show dog had to have his nuts removed because of a health issue (cancer or similar??) ?? Is that the end of thier show career ?

    And can a dog still show if it did have a disease or illness that wouldnt affect other dogs around it ??

    Thanks for any info....
    By disease or illness exactly what do you mean?

    My understanding of dog showing is that it is about conformation to breed standard, health generally doesnt come into it. Well I am sure it does to a degree...but a dog can be a champion and still have issues that IMO make it unsuitable for breeding.

    I don't show dogs though and got what I know about it from my Nana (bred GSD and Mini Poodles) but that was a long time ago.

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