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    If I saw the puppies ancestry involved close relations mated - I would avoid those puppies.
    Not always. Sometimes it produces some incredible dogs. When ignorant people do it though, and keep doing it then thats when problems occur.

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    Nekhbet

    Don't some very savvy people do the gene pool reduction just for the short term glory but not with the long term best interest of the breed - isn't that why there are so many wobbly backed GSDs on the show circuit (unless they've fixed it recently?)

    Reyzor

    Why should one club (ANKC) have the monopoly on what a well bred dog is? Or the breed registry? That's like saying we should all drive Holdens - because they're the only ones who can make a quality car. Or we should only use our Holden dealership to get them serviced.

    There is also the slight problem that until relatively recently in the history of kennel clubs - was that anyone could add any breed with any breed and lie about it on the papers. Want faster JRT? How bout introducing some Whippet... So we can prove the parents now, but what about the ones with some extra bloodlines from 40 years ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Reyzor

    Why should one club (ANKC) have the monopoly on what a well bred dog is? Or the breed registry? That's like saying we should all drive Holdens - because they're the only ones who can make a quality car. Or we should only use our Holden dealership to get them serviced.

    There is also the slight problem that until relatively recently in the history of kennel clubs - was that anyone could add any breed with any breed and lie about it on the papers. Want faster JRT? How bout introducing some Whippet... So we can prove the parents now, but what about the ones with some extra bloodlines from 40 years ago?
    i think you've missed my point.... maybe i wasnt able to get my thoughts into written text.....

    i disagree with the way in which oyu have put it....... im saying the the ANKC is similar to the RTA

    you buy a car, you must pay the rego.... obide by the ADR's if you want to modify it etc....

    if you make a car, you must comply with state and federal laws with regards to design laws etc...

    same (in my opinion) with dogs, if you wish to breed, you msut comply with ANKC rules and regulations..... does it make you a better breeder then someone who isnt, probably not, it comes down to the individual....... BUT atleast you are going about it the right way.

    if there was a break away group from the ANKC, then you would have to have shows sanctioned by either body..... then it would turn into a joke... "oh my dog is grand champion in ANKC shows"
    "yeah but that means nothign cos mine is GC of the other mob"....

    much the same way boxing has 3 different governing bodies.....its a joke....

    and yes, some people may not agree with the ANKC rules and policies, but if you want to breed, in mu opinion, you should be rego'd with them.... its jsut one of the things on a long ticklist that should be done when breeding......
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    reyzor

    The RTA is a government body. The ANKC is a private club. So the RTA would register your home built car if you could meet the regulations - but the ANKC won't.

    Saying all dog breeders and dogs must be registered with the ANKC (and the ANKC should enforce its rules eg expel people who don't comply) is more like saying every car and driver and mechanic and manufacturer and shop all be registered with the NRMA, RACV, RACQ, RAA, RAC, RACT and AANT or equivalent where you live.

    Since the ANKC is not a government organisation - forcing people to be members before they can breed dogs - is a restraint of trade. Not all the ANKC rules - in my opinion are in the best interests of the dog. Ie if you stick to their rules - you can't breed dogs to a specific purpose and no new breeds (or old breeds of farm dogs) would ever be registered. And there are new purposes in dog breeding, eg the police dogs - for tracking, and trapping bad guys and sniffing out drugs and money, and the dogs for finding termites or cancer and even the search and rescue dogs. Do we have to stick to Saint Bernards or can we develop a dog that is lighter and more agile?

    I think some of the ANKC rules, policies and ethics ar great - and if the government makes some of those law and enforces them that would be great. But restricting the number of breeds and purposes of dogs in the world - I don't agree with that.

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    fair enough..... but do you really think a goverement run body would do things better?
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    Love your post Hyacinth, more so because the world is changing and the roles of dogs are changing with it. And yet at the same time, the dogs in the ANKC and AKC are changing too - just not always in ways that I think are to their benefit. Check out this link to a thread about Staffordshire Bull Terriers in the 1940's-50's.
    Stafford 1953 Photo
    Don't know why they needed to be broader and more squat but I know which look I prefer and which dogs look happier/healthier/more athletic.

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    Well not all Breeds have changed much in the good lines.....i will admit there are bad lines in the newfies, but most ethical breeder are trying to breed a working type dog.

    Many newfie, especially in CAnada and the USa are still doing a lot of Water Rescue and Drafting.

    Her is a very old print of the early 1930's



    And here is one of my newfie girl Annabelle, not so different..she is very fit, does agility and loves to climb. I think it is the individual breeder that should be accountable for waht they produce and the purchaser for where they buy





    Home-made agility for a newf
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    i love seeing pics of your mini bears newfsie.......... take me back to my childhood where a mate had a newfie........
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    Beautiful dogs. But I think all this shows is that you're a great breeder

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekhbet View Post
    Not always. Sometimes it produces some incredible dogs. When ignorant people do it though, and keep doing it then thats when problems occur.
    The difficulty is that everyone is ignorant to an extent, because we don't even know of every good/bad gene let alone able to test for them. To complicate things further, we also don't have a great understanding of how genes interact with each other.

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