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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC View Post
    If you are going to work your dog by all means go to a working kennel, but most people do not and should look at breeds and lines more suitable for their lifestyle. If they did perhaps there wouldn't be such a huge amount of Kelpie/cattle type crosses filling our pounds and shelters.

    There are dual titled dogs and kennels that try to achieve it all. I had Kelpies that were both titled in obedience and the show ring. And you can attend sheep herding trials these days at the canine complex in NSW

    I'm well aware farmers don't have set hours but there are those that win trophies for their animals.

    I don't go round knocking kids who play competitive sport and take it seriously, not just playing because friends are or mum says they should do some exercise but do tire of the same old same old that show dogs are badly bred and useless and that collecting trophies is useless. We achieve accolades and awards in all walks of life, should I knock those that do?

    My whippets are matching it with the racing fraternity up in the hunter valley area despite being pretty, and I don't go home and put a bullet in their head if they have a bad day.
    I did the same, My working dogs kelpies did both some show work and also Obedience plus we got titles at herding and we won herding events at field days...I loved the fact they could be in all company. Be it as a farm dog or at a show. I am not like a beauty pageant mother. My dogs are kept as working dogs, this includes my newfies. I still swim my newfies and even with not the most beautiful show coats mine have won over those beautiful boofed up coated newfies....because underneath it all a good judge will judge conformation and not prettied up dollied up only. My newfs have the correct coat as per standard. And yes I do posh them up for shows. But I show mainly in Winter and I love it when we get rained out LOL.......We are wet, like we should be
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    Mac - Its good changes are happening, it is certainly a step in the right direction but not sure the present changes will see much of a win for some breeds in my lifetime, but something is sure better than nothing.
    No I dont register my pups because i dont believe the system works in favour of the welfare of animals at the moment, and any pups i sell, are companion animals only,my membership is nothing but a token one, so yes I do break the rule.
    Should things change you may find me at a dog show one day

    Crested -
    What rules are unethical registered breeders FORCED to abide by now, that they can not possible avoid, undetected under the rule of ANKC, that would change if they were not registered with the club?
    Can breeders breed outside the litter limit and sell them unregistered, just for extra money?

    It really is a shame for the responsible breeders like newfie and mac,to be tarred by the sins of bad breeders and a long time broken club with a bad reputation when they have the best interests of their animal first and foremost priority. My vet is scathing of the ANKC and their inability or unwillingness to force change and review breed standards in those breeds suffering the most, he has seen too much, and angry that it goes relatively unreported.
    Anyway, change is way and anything can only be good.
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    There is nothing that can not go undected in the world, ever... That's why we have unsolved police cases, they aren't magic, they can't keep an eye on every single person. The ANKC relies heavily on people reporting other members, much like the police. I have reported unethical members for doing the wrong thing, and I would testify against someone if I witnessed a murder... same thing really.

    If I knew someone who was selling unregistered litters when they were a member of the ANKC you bet your sweet-a$$ I would report them. If everyone just sits back and does nothing it doesn't help the clubs reputation one bit.

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    I think the internet has helped greatly in uncovering some of these scheisters
    Pets are forever

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    edited because I realised that really I'm no expert - I just think it's an issue that needs urgent discussion.
    Last edited by 99bottles; 03-15-2012 at 07:36 PM.

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    Good for you crested, go get them!!
    It seems the ANKC is a tiger without teeth and no checks or balances at all for those doing the wrong thing, except being caught and dobbed in by other members. So im guessing they are registered to be able to register pups and join shows?
    The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated.
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    cavalierqld all I know is that should I ever want a cavalier, I will coming to you

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    Awe, thank you bottles, I have to wonder if my lazy couch potato's would be able to keep up with you guys. You had me puffed out just reading your post!
    The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated.
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    Large organisations that fail to kick out members who don't stick to the code of ethics.

    ANKC
    Australian Medical Association
    and whatever it is the Lawyers belong to.

    Probably applies to most organisations of professionals. It really does take a lot of courage and legal resources to boot a dodgy member. And they will only tell you afterwards you dealt with a dodgy one.

    Of course some of these organisations have no expectation that their members will follow any code of ethics. I think I bought my house from a member of one of these...

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    I agree with whomever said "instead of looking at registered breeders and x-breeders or BYB, we should be looking at responsible breeders and irresponsible breeders"

    That abotu sums it up for me. I dont have an issue with anyone breeding anything, as long as it is responsibly.

    If I was to buy a purebred, I am not really fussed about whether it meets breed standards, as long as it LOOKS like the chosen breed and is HEALTHY. This will depend on the breed to some degree, with some breeds I would have very specific requirements around common issues and might look for a breeder who produces what I am looking for.

    I am also one of those people who will pay whatever the price is for the dog I want just for it to be a pet.

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