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    I think the newfies are mine ...We have two couches, becuase we have four large dogs.

    I am around the shows a lot........I think a huge percentageof the dogs are well bred, sound and well mannered...When we think of badly bred dogs winning it was more of a European problem. And now Crufts has even dealt with that.

    I prefer my dogs to come from places that show and are Out there with their dogs amongst their peers, and hopefully also in Obedience maybe.

    I personally like my newfs, I can get very old books and they are still bred mostly to the standard that was and is.........

    The GSD is sad, but there are now people who are trying to change that too
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    Quote Originally Posted by cavalierqld View Post
    Bottles, well said! ANKC needs to evaporate...it is well past its useby date, and getting a bit smelly. What we need is a new governing body which will revise breed standards which rewards health, functionality and welfare first, therefore taking away the incentive for unethical breeders to show unhealthy animals.
    This would be a win win situation, the show community could be proud of a new ethical system which rewards responsible breeding and our ethical breeders. Purebreds , over time will become healthier, more functional with better quality of life and buyers will be assured of healthier pups.
    who would come up with these new breed standards? like you said in an earlier post.... who makes these changes?

    how would one determine that the dog is healthy etc?

    IMO, dog show are like beauty pagents, there are some parents who enjoy it, look after the dogs at home too, then there are some parents who are in it for the glory....

    at the end of the day it comes down to the individual owner............

    jsut out of curiosity, why havent you become a registered breeder? you dont need to show dogs to become one..... jsut wondering....
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    Mac, most working dog owner/breeders, are farming. No days off a week to go trophy collecting i guess.
    For my working dog, i would not be going to a pro breeder. I would go talk to the person with the dog, and see how i could get hold of one. That's how i got Bernie.
    If i wanted to show dogs, which i certainly do not, i would however go to a show line breeder. makes sense.
    But i also am very very fond of mongrels.

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    Reyzor,
    I have no idea who would make the changes, but really how hard can it be?
    An independant vet with experience in the area's of genetic diseases and conditions associated with breed standards?.
    And how about vet testing for that certain breeds possible genetic conditions before showing at 12 months old +?
    Registered breeders should be testing anyway if they are breeding, right? Why not ensure ethical compliance with the standards they portray, but making it compulsary.
    Taking into consideration later onset of diagnosis of course on some conditions.
    And how about the new regulator deeming the animal unfit to breed when diagnosed with the more serious conditions?

    I am by no means an expert in the show -ANKC areas, Im sure those members here who show have a better understanding of the fine print need to make the essential changes.
    I am registered as a means to keep in touch, get newsletters and info when required, just choose not to parcipate in an institution (ANKC) that does not have the welfare of the dogs at heart. I dont register any pups I may have and sell healthy companion Cavalier King Charles Spaniels, who's lines I am very proud of
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    Mac - Sorry, that post was meant for Newfie, doing 3 things at once just dosent work -sorry
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    Newfie, was trying to give your lovely dogs to mac - sorry!
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    If you are going to work your dog by all means go to a working kennel, but most people do not and should look at breeds and lines more suitable for their lifestyle. If they did perhaps there wouldn't be such a huge amount of Kelpie/cattle type crosses filling our pounds and shelters.

    There are dual titled dogs and kennels that try to achieve it all. I had Kelpies that were both titled in obedience and the show ring. And you can attend sheep herding trials these days at the canine complex in NSW

    I'm well aware farmers don't have set hours but there are those that win trophies for their animals.

    I don't go round knocking kids who play competitive sport and take it seriously, not just playing because friends are or mum says they should do some exercise but do tire of the same old same old that show dogs are badly bred and useless and that collecting trophies is useless. We achieve accolades and awards in all walks of life, should I knock those that do?

    My whippets are matching it with the racing fraternity up in the hunter valley area despite being pretty, and I don't go home and put a bullet in their head if they have a bad day.
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    Mac, I am not knocking your love of the sport, just the archaic breed standards and practices which enable unhealthy dogs to win championships.
    While you clearly love and care for you animals very much, the temptation for those that dont really care to get that title is attainable through the unaccountability of the ANKC for the unethical breeders.

    It just needs to be bought into the 21st century, where ONLY healthy dogs win titles, imagine what that could do for the good of the breed, having the prize only in the reach of those that spend the time and the effort to breed healthy happy dogs.

    I can imagine your whippets in an open field, do they have close to the speed of a greyhound? Please excuse my ignorance if thats a stupid question.
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    You know people here must only find the bad ones, because I come across far more good ethical show breeders than bad ones.

    Cavqld, changes are taking place, yes it's slow, but who would like to step in and make the changes? It's a hobby/sport. Results of required genetic testing is slowing coming in, yep it could come faster, but there is a board that sits on all changes, it's not a company with one governing person. But results are now being shown on pedigree papers of many breeds and I suspect more will come.

    Also if I understand right you are a registered breeder? Yet you yourself flout one of the rules by not registering litters? I can't understand why you would.

    I don't share my wins and good news on this forum as I know people don't hold much value in them but it would be nice if people understood that changes are being made and that many show people highly value their dogs for more than just the trophies they win. Many go onto to achieve other titles for their dogs like ET or Earth Dog, agility etc and produce healthy long lived and happy dogs.
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    I agree that more emphasis needs to be put on health but unfortunately it will just encourage less than ethical breeders to abandon the club in favor of breeding without the rules, which in turn will end up with the club making little to no money and shutting down.

    You may not like the ANKC and may not think they do enough, but at least they do have some set rules to ensure the welfare of dogs used for breeding, it's better than the willy-nilly breeding some non-members are allowed to do (I'm thinking puppy farms and prolific BYB's here).
    Look at their rules on the time-frames in which bitches are allowed to be bred, or how many litter total they are allowed to produce... If you aren't a member you don't have to abide by those rules.

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