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    Yeh i think these sort of breeding programs encourage others to try their hand at making some crossbreed designer dog built for no real purpose other than to say " look what i made", no support here

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter70 View Post
    Yeh i think these sort of breeding programs encourage others to try their hand at making some crossbreed designer dog built for no real purpose other than to say " look what i made", no support here
    Quote Originally Posted by peter70 View Post
    Yeh i think these sort of breeding programs encourage others to try their hand at making some crossbreed designer dog built for no real purpose other than to say " look what i made", no support here
    Well I just had a look through their website. "All potential breeders have been assessed for temperament, completed obedience training, are Vet checked and are hip and elbow xrayed." That is more than what a lot of breeders do so I don't know that it's fair to be so harsh.

    They had their reasons for creating the dogs, and they are using them in those contexts. I don't think anyone would try to argue that the majority of mastiffs are capable of the work they were bred to do (even though I'm happy to accept that you do own the first comfortable/happy looking mastiff I have ever personally seen). You might prefer how they look today and their calmer, lazier temperaments, but if other people want a dog that no longer exists, I don't understand why they should be berrated for breeding them - especially given they are doing the checks and tests and even ensuring they're capable of completing some form of obedience training.

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    You mean first comfortable/happy looking NEO Mastiff surely.......


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean View Post
    You mean first comfortable/happy looking NEO Mastiff surely.......
    I did yes, just rushing my replies whilst at work lol. I don't know much about the other mastiffs, but one of my dog's best friends as a puppy was a french mastiff and she seemed quite happy. I just have these horrible memories - I used to go to every dog show I could, the biggest was probably the sydney easter show and the neo's were quite depressing - appeared to almost be an exercise in animal cruelty to my eyes. Their features were just so overdone and exaggerated and they looked like they neither wanted to be walking/moving nor could they see where they were going, and they couldn't control their drooling. Was very sad. Had a look on the dogzonline breed pages when this thread started, and doesn't look like anything has changed But I'm very happy to hear about Peter's dog.

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    Im entitled to my opinion and that is exactly what i have given sorry cant please everyone.
    Glad you like Nero, it is certainly my goal to breed from him if and when i find a suitable bitch.

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    Nero suits him And of course you are, but I just think that people and the dog community on the whole could benefit from being a little more open minded when it comes to people not breeding pure. Dogs were not bred 'pure' until very recently, only to type (as many farm dogs etc still are today) and it's certainly arguable that the transition hasn't been entirely to their benefit. If someone (or a group as it appears from the website) are making the effort to test their breeding dogs physically and mentally and they obviously know what they're trying to create - on their webpage you can see that they have owned other purebreeds for a long time so they want something different and from the look of it, they're going about it more ethically than most (including some of the pure breeders) well I don't think they deserve to be berrated.

    I know of people who just breed one random small white fluffy to another, solely for the purposes of making money and without conducting any tests. That for me is the lowest of the low, and this is a good many steps above that. I don't personally put breeding pure dogs above breeding mixed dogs, so long as you have goals and selectively breed healthy, intelligent and stable dogs (achieved through testing etc) but obviously that's a personal thing too.

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    So should I choose to create a "Victorian Mastiff" as long as I carefully select the dogs i use your ok with it?
    I don't buy it, I'd rather see people improve the breeds we have

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    I went and had a look at why they're trying to do what they're doing. In a couple of generations it will be a working line malinois with a short coat.

    Queensland has introduced some very strict rules about dog breeding. Not sure if they meet requirements or not. But I do think it is good to have some dogs bred to a purpose and not a show standard - as long as the show standards continue to focus on looks and not purpose / ability. Otherwise we'd have all non-functioning GSDs and there'd be no koolies...

    Missed you Peter70. How's the walking going?

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    Hey Hyacinth, yeh much better after some orthodics as well, managed an 8 1/2 k walk the other day probably the first time in 15 years..

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Pawfectionist View Post
    While I think crossing many breeds to create a "purebreed" is quite silly, you have to remember that many of our "purebreed" dogs of today were once simply a cross of others.

    Eg. Doberman(n) - The breed is believed to have been created from several different breeds including the German Pinscher, the Beauceron, the Rottweiler, the Thuringian Sylvan Dog, the Greyhound, the Great Dane, the Weimaraner, the German Shorthaired Pointer, the Manchester Terrier and the Old German Shepherd Dog.

    Golden retreiver - The original cross was of a yellow-coloured wavy-coated retriever with a Tweed Water Spaniel (i think they are now extinct). These pups were then alledgedly crossed with other breeds including the Irish Setter, the sandy-coloured Bloodhound, the St. John's Water Dog and other wavy-coated black Retrievers to make the Golden we love today

    English bulldog - The modern English bulldog is actually an Old English bulldog crossed with a pug.

    What we consider to be a horrible crosses now maybe end up being purebreeds. I mean, I swear people already think labradoodles are a purebreed dog.
    I agree. And as breeding is based upon a 'honour' system. that is, you only have the breeders word for it. And lets face it, few breeders are geneticists, yet they dabble with genetically modifying breeds. So now we have GSD's the look like frogs squatting, mastiffs that need C Sections to give birth, and cant breathe, dogs with eyes so droopy they have eye issues. And all these defects from breeders continuing a line that is subjective opinion on what's considered good.

    I have a client, who is cross breeding great danes with bull mastiffs. To increase the size. He's a BYB. His pups are very healthy. He knows nothing about breeding lines etc. I never said anything negative to him about BYB, as im not convinced that breeders have got it right.

    I used to compete in obedience in the UK before Border Collie's were registered as Pedigree dogs with the Kennel Club. so you could only do obedience and agility with them. Not show. Frankly, how screwed up is this dog world of ours?

    I go to GSD shows, and the temperment of some of the top winning GSDs is freekin scary. These are not going to be great pets at all! yet, the pups will sell for thousands. Im on the fence.

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