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    And one day the other dog will object and tell your dog off and maybe will bite.

    Tough to do by what you say. Why don't you find a dog behaviour/trainer, who will see what is happening.

    If she doesn't really want to interact with all the other dogs, is there not somewhere else where she can play ball............I find that some dogs plating with their toys in off leash parks often causes the fight or at least disagreements. Some Dogs get possessive about their toys. I am very much into managing dogs as individuals....Dog not really social, don't force the issue. meet and greet with lots of people on leash and expect the dog to behave well and train it to behave well when on leash.......Off leash, if not happy, don't go there
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    I don't go to dog parks any more since moving onto acreage, but when I did I hated it when people took balls to the park. I have a ball crazy Whippet and I know what he's like with HIS ball.

    Having said that your dog would probably get along fine with most of mine, they like to stick to themselves, have no real problems with other dogs but don't activity seek their attention, (with the exception of 2 which are social butterflys).

    The ones that aren't social butterflys I don't take to parks because inevitably another dog is going to get in their face, bark at them etc or generally annoy the crap out of them. It's not my dogs fault by neither is it the other persons dogs fault but I see dog parks as exercise areas for dogs that like to interract.

    I agree with what Newfie said, one day a dog will object and if neither back down it will be on. Some dogs aren't a match for dog parks. I wouldn't worry about your dogs aggression, I'd just manage it by not going to dog parks when other people are there.

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    To me it doesn't sound like there is too much of an issue, but you need to know and understand your dogs behaviour and manage it accordingly ....

    Now, my dog, Jack, when there is no ball to play with he's very social, loves playing with other dogs, but when we're at the beach and he's playing ball, he's focused on one thing only, the ball! He's now over 6 years old and i've witnessed enough of his behaviour(well i had several years ago) to read him and know what he's thinking. If another dog chases his ball, if the other dog gets it, he'll just follow the other dog around until it drops it and he'll take it back ... there have been a few occasions where the other dog has dropped the ball and then stood over it, goading Jack into taking it before then going for Jack ... he's learnt himself not to take a ball in that situation. If however Jack gets the ball and the other dog keeps hassling him(i.e running over the top of him, running in front of him, trying to take the ball from his mouth etc) he will initially react with a warning bare of the teeth and throw of the head in that dogs direction. That is MY warning sign that i need to take control until the other dog is out of the picture. On occasion(with dogs/owners i know) we just let it play out and soon enough Jack will drop the ball and go the dog ... through years of watching Jack i know he's all noise and show unless the other dog fights back. I think its really an individual situation and you need to assess whether you get enough warning signs to be able to take control before the situation gets out of hand, or whether its just best to keep your dog away from others when playing ball.

    i'll just add, Jack, being a typical superman staffy, couldn't careless how big the other dog(or dogs in one case of a GSD and a rottie at the same time) is, he'll react exactly the same. I'm particularly careful when any other fighting breeds are around, because i can see the potential for it to escalate into a full on fight. Having said all that, it has never completely escalated into a full on fight, the closest being when he got sick of a bullarab(i.e a dog 5 times his size) and he got shook off, i could see in his eyes that he all of a sudden meant business and was able to stop him before it happened

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meredith View Post
    Thanks for these comments but I am not really asking what to do about it. I am asking if you think she is being aggressive. I actually did not go to the dog park for about twelve months because of her behaviour but my other dog really enjoys himself and then he misses out. Also I don't take balls there. Other people do and when they throw them for their dog my dog fetches them and takes over the game. Or if no-one has a ball she will find one somewhere and bring it over and drop it at your feet and beg you to throw ir for her. I refuse to throw it so she tries someone else and usually they oblige. I am concerned about her bossy behaviour and whether it is likely to escalate. Should I be doing something now? I could just keep her home or take her out by herself but I think it is important that dogs know how to interact with other dogs.
    So if your other dog likes the dog park, take him and leave bossy at home. Then take her for a walk by herself later.

    IMO, it is not that important that dogs know how to interact with other dogs, particularly if that is not something they enjoy doing. My wee dog NEVER interacts with other dogs. She's too aggressive, and she gets highly stressed if another dog is even near her (she went to puppy preschool etc etc, but she has been this way since day dot). My mums dog came to stay one xmas, and he went outside with our big dog and our wee dog spent the entire 4 days in a highly anxious state (she wasnt allowed out there because she starts fights and is too small to finish them) We dont force the issue. She isnt comfortable with the situation so we dont make her endure it because we might like it, or our other dog might like it.

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    Answering if your dog is aggressive or not is not straight forward especially when answering over the net, I can't see the behaviour for myself.

    Aggression comes in many forms for dogs and many things are triggers. Dogs place value on certain things and have thresholds like us.

    By the sounds of things if there is no trigger - a barking dog or a ball then she's fine, so the answer then would be no she's not aggressive.

    If you continue to take her to the park and don't carefully monitor her behaviour, have a good recall on her and know exactly when it's time to leave (she's found a ball and another dogs wants it or there is a dog there that barks and pesters her a lot) then yes her bossy behaviour can and will very easily escalate to an aggressive incidence.

    So you need to be able to control balls, ball games and barking dogs.

    So in a nut shell it sounds like your dog is not aggressive, but can be if certain triggers are in the environment.

    I don't place any importance on a dog being able to interract with other dogs.
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    ^^^ What Mac and Lala said. Your dog sounds like it is guarding the ball and possibly gets over aroused by barking dogs. Both of these behaviours can escalate to aggression if you allow this to go on.

    Best way to decide if what you are doing going to the park is appropriate is by pretending your dog weighs a lot more.
    For instance if I bought my 30kilo dog to the park and she did to your dog what your dog does to others how would you feel about that?? Not too happy I would assume?
    Fas as I am concerned it is never ok to allow a small dog to do something you wouldnt allow a big dog to do.

    And I realised you are not asking for advice on what to do or not to do but you came to a dog forum where we are trying to promote responsible pet ownership, taking a dog who finds a dog park stressful and shows anti-social behaviours is not responsible pet ownership.
    Do your dog a favour and stop putting her in an environment that stresses her out. Take your other dog and walk her separately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meredith View Post
    Hi
    I have a small mixed breed dog (10 Kg) who has never really played with other dogs. About two years ago she was chased by about four bigger dogs and she ran to me and jumped into my arms so that I was left holding her while the other dogs surrounded me. Fortunately their owners were able to call them off. She is very fast and ball obsessed and these days all she wants to do at the dog park is chase balls which she brings back and drops at my feet. At the dog park on Wednesday another dog of the same size got in her way and she turned on it. She didn't really bite, she just mouths and leans into it with her shoulder and pushes it out of the way. If a bigger dog gets in her way she goes around it.
    She also behaves the same way towards any dog at the dog park that barks a lot. At home my other dog is a bit barky and when I tell him off she mouths at him and pushes him away.
    She also doesn't like being crowded by bigger dogs and tells them off if they come too close.
    I took her to the vet about twelve months ago for a temperament assessment and the vet said she has a working dog temperament and that dog fights are not significant unless one of the dogs is actually hurt. Should I be concerned about my little girl? She doesn't hurt the other dogs; she just tells them off.
    I think the way you wrote your first post let you down....The way it is written makes us think your dog is aggressive towards other dogs..........That is why i suggested you get someone who is into dog behaviour to look at the situation. i do this for quite a few people and it is often the people who say "my dog is not aggressive" who have the aggressive dogs. And those that say "i think they are aggressive" have the quite normal beahviour dog. It needs to be seen and is very hard to tell via description....you describe a aggressive dog, hence I bolded it

    I underlined your vets statement.....you cannot afford to wait for a dog to get hurt before you say a dog is aggressive. it is best prevented. And teaching a dog manners around other dogs and how to behave onlead.....If that becomes a habit some dog will actually be able to go off lead after lots of practice in known company. Some dogs are just never 100% happy in unknown company...listen to your dog and keep all dogs safe, yours and others

    Dogs often give off calming signs, which can tell people who know them what is happening........it is how I can prevent a lot of issues, by reading the dog
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    Sorry I can never gets the quotes working on this forum but you wrote "another dog got in her way and she turned on it" "she mouths".

    If all 7 of my dogs were in the park several of mine wouldn't tolerate that & it would be on and several would just walk away.

    One of my old Kelpies obtained her UD title, took me a lot of work, the only dog I ever got that far. But she wasn't particularly fussed on dog parks, especially the fenced in ones. So i didn't take her. She had a low tolerance of dogs that got in her face, excitable dogs, slobbery dogs, all the usual dogs you find at a dog park particularly the fenced ones. She had a level of obedience that rarely required a lead, but why would I take her somewhere that made her uncomfortable.

    I work part-time in boarding kennels, the hardest breed of dog to match up with kennel mates and in the exercise yard was the Border Collie. Many of them have LFT. Low tolerance for idiot dogs. More often than not I would put the BC out in the exercise yard with the oldies, because the old Goldens or Labs etc would just wonder and sniff and stay out of the BC's way. If I put it out with adolescent Labradors, pointers etc that liked to play like wrestlers it wouldn't be happy and you'd have the possibility of a fight. An 18 month old BC is much older than an 18 month old gundog in the brain.

    I type this to show you that a level of obedience doesn't necessarily have to also coincide with a dog highly tolerable of all situations. As a person who owns several dogs, I actually have a better connection and higher level of obedience from the ones that don't like the dog park. And many of the top trialler don't take their dogs to dog parks, they are their dogs entertainment and world.

    Sorry Newfie posted while I was typing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keira & Phoenix View Post
    ^^^ What Mac and Lala said. Your dog sounds like it is guarding the ball and possibly gets over aroused by barking dogs. Both of these behaviours can escalate to aggression if you allow this to go on.

    Best way to decide if what you are doing going to the park is appropriate is by pretending your dog weighs a lot more.
    For instance if I bought my 30kilo dog to the park and she did to your dog what your dog does to others how would you feel about that?? Not too happy I would assume?
    Fas as I am concerned it is never ok to allow a small dog to do something you wouldnt allow a big dog to do.

    And I realised you are not asking for advice on what to do or not to do but you came to a dog forum where we are trying to promote responsible pet ownership, taking a dog who finds a dog park stressful and shows anti-social behaviours is not responsible pet ownership.
    Do your dog a favour and stop putting her in an environment that stresses her out. Take your other dog and walk her separately.
    Sorry, but I don't agree on this either. I couldn't care less if a miniature poodle jumps up to me, but I got seriously freaked out when the 8mo newfie did that. That's just an example, but just like you treat dogs with different temperaments differently, I think it is totally ok to have different rules for big and for little dogs.

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