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    Default 5 month old bitch, taking on 2 yr old desexed male GSD for alpha position

    At 5 months, Pohm a rottie x bordeaux has decided that she can vie for the title of alpha.
    Bernie, a 2yr old desexed GSD has been pulling his punches with her since she arrived. She appears to of taken this as this is how strong he is, and so has begun pushing past him first, eating her dinner then his.

    He just gives into her. Play romps are ending up with Bernie humping her, which she isnt keen on. He's humping her face so not quite getting it right!

    Clearly, the bitch is more dominant than the male in this scenario. bernie really doesnt care enough about what she cares a lot about to bother knocking her into line, so more and more she is taking the lead.

    I stop the romps when it gets too boisterous. Rottie's playing make a LOT of noise, but you can tell when its getting too heated if you get what i mean.

    do i just let them sort it out themselves? Or do i stop the more aggro romps?

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    Firstly why are you letting her eat his food? Feed them separately. It might not be a big deal now but the female is about to lose her puppy license and next time she tries this he may actually try to stop her.

    The pup is getting away with more than she would if she was older because pups have a "puppy license" that usually expires somewhere between 4 - 6 months.

    Dogs do not work on a linear heirachy theory ie: they don't have an "Alpha", they have much more complicated heirachy's then that. They are family animals (like us) and live in similar family situations.

    Your older dog is humping the younger because she is too excited and well socialised older dogs use humping as a way to calm down dogs that are too aroused.

    You need to take control, you need to become a leader. Implement separate feeding, controlled play time, NILIF etc.

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    I would probably feed them separate too. But apart from that, I wouldn't worry too much about it. It sounds like you are already interfering when things threaten to get out of hand. As long as there is no aggression I see no reason why you would not let them sort it out for themselves.

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    Well I know with my two dogs I never allow either of them to take each others food they eat next to each other but I like to keep control of the situation neither of my dos are allowed to touch their bowls while the food is sitting in front of them till I say so either, and the same goes for either dog trying to control the other in any way I have 3 small children my dogs are around all the time I don't want them to think in any way that I'm not the boss and that they have control over anything be that me my children or our other dog might sound wrong to some but that's the way I like it and my dogs are very happy

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    Also my dogs are 5 and a 3 month old IMO you need to get conrol of the situation yourself rather then letting them do what they like (abit like children i guess lol)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liss05 View Post
    Also my dogs are 5 and a 3 month old IMO you need to get conrol of the situation yourself rather then letting them do what they like (abit like children i guess lol)
    A lot like children.

    As I mentioned earlier, they are very similar in that they run in family groups. Your dogs need the same leadership as children do. (Note this doesn't mean they should be treated like children, just that they need the same leadership).

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    And why do you think they call some people Bitches........My Lukey is run by three of them and he allows it, until........

    I would give the boy some peace at feed time and just let them be dogs and allow their own structure just to happen. I have four dogs and we have some ups and downs here. The girls can be a little bitchy at times, but I do not intervene, unless it is around me. I have good leadership over my dogs........it is mostly passive, I do not yell or play an alpha role. I just teach my dogs Obedience ,individually and together and if they do something i don't like. They either get put away from everyone or they get ignored. They hate that......But if they do something good, even if I did not ask for it i praise, never forget the unexpected praise, they love it. And they learn to give more of what you want.
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    Agree, sounds like a typical bitch, thinks she's running the place, acting like she's running the place but when something really bothers him he'll do something about it. My stud dog is more tolerant of his 5 month old pup than the bitches. He's confident in his position.

    With 7 dogs to feed I stand out with mine, otherwise my 5 month old pup would be running from bowl to bowl and would get a very hard lesson from a couple of the dogs the others wouldn't mind so much they'd probably just swap to his bowl. But I have to monitor who is eating what otherwise I'd have WWIII, a couple of fat dogs and a couple of skinny dogs. He has a bad case of the grass is greener. I'm not too worried about it because he's still happy to share his meal, so he's not so much steeling food just believing that he should eat where the most heads are, typical pup, is your pup being a typical pup? Or is she craving more food for her young body? In the end it doesn't really matter just keep blocking her and returning her to her food.

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    I would not let the young one eat the older dogs food.

    Apart from that I would leave it. My dogs sound hard out aggressive when they are playing/romping and it gets very rough. I just leave them to it (unless I absolutely have to step in).

    I think sometimes you can intefere too much and it can be the wrong thing to do and send the wrong signals and make them unsure about things ya know? But I would def not let the food thing carry on. My wee girl walked up behind my large boy once (I was standing right there) and went for his food bowla nd he gave her a hiding - I let him (despite the 40kg to 6kg size difference). Well he was growling and pinning her and she was screaming (noone was actually getting hurt). I let him for a couple of seconds then I told him to cut it out...anyway, she has never gone near his food bowl again, and he has never ever snapped at her for anythign again...but I would be telling the youn gone off for going near the older ones food bowl

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