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    (sorry for long post)
    Koda has always been a lovely friendly dog, there has only been one occasion where he was agressive towards a labrador X, but that was a fare while ago.
    So this morning we decided to take Koda to the market (we dont take Dodge cause she rounds up EVERYTHING) Koda has been going to this market since he was a pup and there has never been any problems.
    when i tried to get Koda into the car, he didnt want to get in, for some reason... wich is unusual for him.
    at the market we were just walking along, he was very well behaved, stopping for pats from adults and children, and lapping up the attention.
    We came across two Great Danes, now koda had never met a great dane before, (or any dog as big as that) so i wasent sure what he would, to my surprise he started growling and lunged at them!!! i disiplined him appropriately and moved on.
    maybe ten minutes later we came across a Kelpie X (very similar size to Dodge) i thought koda would be fine, but he did the same thing... growling and he would have lunged if i didnt stop him... we decided to go home, and as soon as we got to the car before we even opened his crate he was desperately trying to get in... this is very unusual for him... in the past i have had to lift him in cause he doesnt want to get in....
    in the car he was breathing quite heavily and seemed restless, when we got him home i gave him food and now he seems fine.
    i have never seen koda act so agressive to other dogs before ( he seemed okay with small dogs, and was happily letting children pat him)
    i can understand why he was growling at the Great danes (because he fealt threatened because of their size) but i dont understand why he was agressive to the Kelpie.
    could it be that he fealt threatened from meeting the Great Danes, so he was on edge for the rest of the time, and was defensive when meeting other dogs...

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    It's just a guess, but to me it sounds as if there may be a physical problem that is making him feel on edge? Either that or he just got out of the wrong side of bed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    It's just a guess, but to me it sounds as if there may be a physical problem that is making him feel on edge? Either that or he just got out of the wrong side of bed...
    well thats what i thought, but i checked him all over and there is nothing i can find, and now at home he is as happy as larry...

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    You said he ddi not want to go in the car at first....So maybe he was off already and all of these events just happened. the Danes were most likely out of his comfort zone. A shame it could not have been worked on to make him happier. And the kelpie was obviously a "last straw".

    If they had been my dogs, I would have worked with it, not pushy, just from a distance, until the dog was a little happier. But sometimes in certain areas that is not possible. I find with my huge monsters i often end up helping people get over their dogs worry of seeing mine. Mine are very friendly, so it often ends up being a good ending for all. Just when your dog reacted like that and they left, he might be even unhappier the next time he sees large dogs again. I would try to find a friendly dog training person ( with large dogs) to maybe train with at a distance and get closer and closer in training mode with the help of the clicker/positive reinforcement. Often only takes about twenty minutes of training

    And maybe it was just a bad day........for Koda
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    Thanks Newfsie, some great advise there

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    Agree wholeheartedly with Newfs (pretty common these day!)

    Koda was over threshold after seeing the Danes (and probably shouldnt have been "disciplined" fot reacting the way he did, all you did was reaffirm his fear). thats why he reacted tk the Kelpie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keira & Phoenix View Post
    Agree wholeheartedly with Newfs (pretty common these day!)

    Koda was over threshold after seeing the Danes (and probably shouldnt have been "disciplined" fot reacting the way he did, all you did was reaffirm his fear). thats why he reacted tk the Kelpie.
    yes we now realise that we shouldnt have disiplined him at that time... definately wont make that mistake again!!! i feel so bad for it!

    at the time, i thought he was just being agressive in general... but later realised he was defensive... i know not to accidently praise him for it too... i am always careful not to do that with bad behaviours.
    i am going to work really hard on stamping out this behaviour with positive reinforcement training

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    How old is Koda now? Sometimes dogs go through a second "fear period" around 9 to 18 months old.

    You definitely want to focus on rewarding appropriate behaviour and being sufficiently far away that this can happen. If you can't avoid the big scary dogs, put Koda in a drop and sit with him - holding his collar so he can't lunge and snap - until the other dog is gone a safe distance. You probably want to do the collar grab game before this, ie any time Koda has the collar on - grab it, say "Koda" and give a treat or a pat. Practice gentle grabs to start with and work up to pretend panic grabs.

    I'd be worried about him not wanting to get into the car. Frosty is always like that, but a dog that isn't usually - just because you can't feel it, doesn't mean he's not running a temperature or just a bit sore and tired from the day before, or ate something bad. If that happens again - or there's more unusual behaviours (eg the aggression) maybe a vet visit might help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    How old is Koda now? Sometimes dogs go through a second "fear period" around 9 to 18 months old.

    You definitely want to focus on rewarding appropriate behaviour and being sufficiently far away that this can happen. If you can't avoid the big scary dogs, put Koda in a drop and sit with him - holding his collar so he can't lunge and snap - until the other dog is gone a safe distance. You probably want to do the collar grab game before this, ie any time Koda has the collar on - grab it, say "Koda" and give a treat or a pat. Practice gentle grabs to start with and work up to pretend panic grabs.

    I'd be worried about him not wanting to get into the car. Frosty is always like that, but a dog that isn't usually - just because you can't feel it, doesn't mean he's not running a temperature or just a bit sore and tired from the day before, or ate something bad. If that happens again - or there's more unusual behaviours (eg the aggression) maybe a vet visit might help.
    Thanks Hyacinth,
    we were thinking we might take him to the vet just for a checkup at some point. At the moment Koda 20 months old.
    in this particular situation i couldnt have possably kept my distance from the danes as they were going the opposite direction to us and there were stalls on either side and lots of people, so the furtherest away i could get was roughly 1 meter. we did see them a second time, that time we kept about 5 meters away and Koda was fine. Koda is already very used to me grabbing his collar in a frenzy (from when he gets out, and chases the chickens) so he has no problem with me doing that at all.
    A friend of mine has a Great dane (his name is Ripley, gorgeous dog ) so i might contact them and maybe, try and do some training with Ripley hanging around, and me rewarding koda for staying calm and generally being well behaved and not frightened

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    Ripley sound like a great (dane) idea Good luck I am sure it will help
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