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    Just looking for abit of advice regarding what is best to use for dog walking collar/harness/choker ive always used just a collar and lead for my other dog but our 3 month old mastiff x thats just hit 30kg is another story ive taken her to puppy school and shes very obedient sitting,staying and so on and ive taken her to dog parks she mixes in very well with other dogs and have never had any issues with her till yesterday arvo when we went for our arvo walk all was going well till we went past this house and a little dog like a foxy x came out yapping and going off at the fence well my dog just snapped and got agressive barking and pushing against the fence while i hate to admit it i was struggling to just keep hold of the lead that i had wrapped round and around my hand trying to get her back under control omg she was so strong!!I have burn marks on my hand from the lead!!I was using my voice also but she wasnt responding I ended up dragging her past the house and once she was no longer near the other dog she went back to her normal calm self i worry what would have happened if that dog wasnt behind a fence!!so off i went to the shop this morning to buy a harness (i thought this would give me more control)and explained to the guy i wanted to get her back under control while she still young before she gets even bigger and stronger!!
    And he says that a harness wont help at all and she needs a chain choker i HATE these and i will not buy one for her or any dog i own!! I did see rope like chokers in there maybe they are not as harsh?Any advice before i buy anything would be great i would also like to add that the only different thing about that walk yesterday was my 6 year old son was with us hes never been on walks with us before i dont know if this has anything to do with her behavoir or not but i dont want this to happen again!!

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    Either a front attach harness or a halti. I've never used these myself, but they will be way more effective than a choke chain in situations like that. And I would go to another pet store from now on.

    If this behaviour worries you - which I can imagine it does with a big dog like that - I would also recommend doing some training to work on preventing this reaction. Do a search on the forum "LAT" (Look At That) (and also maybe "desensitisation") and you'll find some handy hints on how you can teach your dog to stay calm in these situations. Give a yell if you cannot find it and I'll try to find the threads for you. LAT is the most impressive technique I have learnt through this forum and even though I now rarely have to use it, my dog loves hearing those words and instantly turns from an overexited, selectively deaf pogo stick into a calm, attentive model dog when I use it.

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    Don't get a harness as you will have less control. I read somewhere that a harness was designed for sled dogs, designed to make it easier for the dog to PULL. I was also like you - totally against a choke chain, the correct term is "slip lead" our obedience class uses them on all dogs except puppies. Ask the guy at the store to explain to you how to put it on your dog. If it is put on the wrong way it is a "choke chain" which is when you pull on the lead and then release there is no slack, therefore choking the dog. If put on the correct way, as soon as you do a quick pull and release it then becomes slack, it may at first be uncomfortable for the dog, but your dog will soon learn if it doesn't pull it won't become uncomfortable. I now swear by these as i have trained Molly on it & also my mums cattle dog who was dog aggressive & this was the only way i could control him. Keep in mind it does not hurt the dog, it only makes it uncomfortable for a quick second.

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    Avoid harnesses.

    If you are going to go a head harness the best is the Black Dog Infin8 NOT the Halti (the Halti can cause severe neck injuries on a dog that lunges or pulls forward suddenly because of the way it works). I used a Infin8 on my youngest dog they are extremely effective, but I don't really need it at all now unless I am in a high excitement situation.

    Your dog is just a pup so I doubt being aggressive but you have severely mishandled the leash in this situation. By wrapping it around and around your arm you have put tension through the leash this just tells the dog you are nervous and gives them cause to worry. If you keep handling the leash like this you will have a huge problem, a Mastiff with leash aggression is not something you want to deal with.
    I posted these earlier for another member but they are even more appropriate in your case.
    Flying Dog Press - Suzanne Clothier - Handling On-lead Aggression
    Read this one once and then re read (you will see why, your perspective changes at the end of the first reading)
    Flying Dog Press - Suzanne Clothier - AGGRESSION: A Case History with Harry T


    I would highly suggest you go back and continue on with professional group training. Puppy school is like pre school for children. It is just the basics. You wouldn't send a child to pre school then expect it to be able to deal with the world...no you keep educating them throughout the earliest years of its life. You need to do this with your dog.
    And meanwhile you keep learning as well.
    On top of that if you are enrolled in professional classes you have experienced dog trainers to assist you when a situation such as this arises.

    I know the area you live in and can make some suggestions if you wish..?

    ETA - DO NOT GET A CHOKER CHAIN this will exacerbate the issue especially if not used properly.
    Positive reinforcement training is hard to get the timing right on, it is even harder to get the timing right for aversive based methods and a lot of damage can be done to the dogs behavioural health and your relationship with the dog. Without the help of a very experienced trainer I would not touch aversive/compulsion methods and even then personally I would NEVER go there.
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    On Harley I use a halti. It works great and it's gotten to the point now he will 90% of the time walk straight past dogs barking in their yard at him Front attached harnesses are suppose to be good too. I tried the back clip and it did nothing, I also tried a choker chain and it did nothing but choke him so I never used it again.

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    Thanks everyone for your replys

    If you are going to go a head harness the best is the Black Dog Infin8 NOT the Halti
    Which one are you talking about there are two i have found Infin8 Halter or Training Halter

    And some more training sounds great could you foward me details for my area please Keira & Phoenix we just done the puppy school thru our local vet and they dont offer anymore after that wasnt sure where was best to look or go

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuri_89 View Post
    Don't get a harness as you will have less control. I read somewhere that a harness was designed for sled dogs, designed to make it easier for the dog to PULL. I was also like you - totally against a choke chain, the correct term is "slip lead" our obedience class uses them on all dogs except puppies. Ask the guy at the store to explain to you how to put it on your dog. If it is put on the wrong way it is a "choke chain" which is when you pull on the lead and then release there is no slack, therefore choking the dog. If put on the correct way, as soon as you do a quick pull and release it then becomes slack, it may at first be uncomfortable for the dog, but your dog will soon learn if it doesn't pull it won't become uncomfortable. I now swear by these as i have trained Molly on it & also my mums cattle dog who was dog aggressive & this was the only way i could control him. Keep in mind it does not hurt the dog, it only makes it uncomfortable for a quick second.
    There are harnesses and harnesses...I have a front attaching harness for Katy. Front attaching harnesses do not give the pulling power to the dog, because it controls the front end, gives a front end yield with hind-quarter yield if you are into horses........Katy is never aggressive and really good at heeling when we heel, But sometimes when we loose lead walk she will want to go and see someone or a friendly dog that we know, quite suddenly....She now doesn't do it very often, but when she was a young hooligan of 60 KG +, it could be a surprise.....I used the Front attaching harness for her. It does not encourage the dog to pull, like the harnesses that are attached to the back....They are like the harnesses we use for tracking and they encourage pulling. So the difference is where the lead is attached.Front= Good for walking. Back= bad for walking, great for Tracking and keeping safe in the car.....

    Some dogs do not tolerate head harnesses..........I also like the black dog one if one is used, but people should be taught how to put them on and use them. If your mastiff is short-nosed, you might find a front attaching harness will be more suitable
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    Thanks for that newfsie will keep that in mind

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    My mastiff cross is very large and headstrong...and i I am very interested as always to read the comments above re haltis being potentially dangerous, i will look into that more. But we had a terrible time controlling barkly untill we bought her a halti, it was instantaneous for me. her behaviour became wonderful and she managed to convert with nothing more than a feeble few head throws...and gave up as she realised she was going walking and that is what matters to her!! In saying that my husband took her one day and came home telling me that it had come off when she was walking after she had gotten all excited over something.... I do not actually think he had it on right....but yeah....possibly that is an issue too. For me but I am happy with my halti and it provided a very low cost solution for me, which with 3 dogs can sometimes be important..i will look into the infinit8 now but! Alvin our staffy is taking abit longer to get used to it....but hes okay most of the time....he often stops to try and get it off his nose....more that it annoys him and he doesnt know why he has this wierd thing on his nose...which he will get over lol/
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    Chocks don't work that guy should be fired

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