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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    I cannot see how you can prevent people from breeding crossbreeds though. Or breeding for profit for that matter. That is something that will never be achieved through legal means. So why don't we concentrate on the things that may be achievable. To try and force laws that will help ensure that ANY breeding, I don't care if it's an ancient purbreed or a mix of 10 different dogs, has to be done responsibly or else. That is why I am saying that it is counterproductive to not separate these two issues.

    You can stop people from breeding pointless crossbreds for profit - stop buying. Easy.

    Our country doesn't have the resources to enforce the laws that we already have. More laws are not the answer. People taking responsibility for their own actions is.

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    Its never going to happen, while petshops sell puppies, people will buy them. If people dont research before they buy they will only find out where the puppy has come from when someone berates them for supporting puppy mills.

    I agree, register cross breeders and aphold them to the same standards as purebred breeders. Remove the stigma from cross breeds, and people can then buy their healthy designer dog bred and reared in a nice environment. You would get a lot more breeders, which would then take the demand away from the puppy mills.

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    Pet shops need to stop selling pets.
    People need to be informed.

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    Ignorance is no excuse. Information these days is more available than ever. Once upon a time people loved to buy leopard skin rugs and other wildlife products, shops sold them and people bought them without a second thought. That still happens in some parts of the world, but that sort of arrogance or ignorance is no longer accepted in our society with regard to wildlife trade. Why? Because of better education and information.

    If we give acceptance to practices that we find unacceptable, because "people are just going to do it anyway" then we wouldn't care about any cruelty or animal welfare issues. Some fights are worth fighting.

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    I'm pretty sure it's illegal to sell leopard skin rugs in Australia. If it weren't, you would still get some people buying them.

    And I do not at all agree that breeding crossbreeds in itself in any way constitutes cruetly to animals. Some fights are worth fighting, but you have to be very clear what it is that you are fighting for. Education in itself is not the goal here, however noble. Our first goal should be to achieve better conditions and outcomes for these dogs asap.
    Last edited by Beloz; 12-20-2011 at 10:54 AM.

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    Tell me, besides coming on forums, what education is out there for a person looking to buy a dog? Obviously the petshop doesn't tell you where the dogs came from, are there adds on television? not that I can recall, are there bumper stickers on cars? not that I've seen... There is only information on forums and places like the rspca. So if Betty wants a dog, and sees one in the petshop she isn't necessarily going to know its a bad idea. Banning live animals in petshops would mean that people would have to do a bit of research on where to find a dog, and then may read threads about puppy mills etc.

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    Maybe we could have some sort of RSPCA approved system like for eggs. But the trouble is that responsible breeders work with puppy buyers who are prepared to wait the time it takes for a bitch to come in season, conceive, go to term, have puppies, and raise puppies to at least 8 weeks old. So that could be 6 to 8 months or even longer - especially as any given bitch should not allowed to be pregnant more than once every couple of years. Hence someone who wants a puppy in January - hasn't really thought about what a responsible breeder does.

    And that's where the puppy farms come in. They're breeding for impulse buyers and suckers (look at those big brown eyes, how could I leave the puppy by itself in that horrible pet shop or with that nasty man).

    And there will always be impulse buyers, for cars, houses, spouses...

    Maybe like a driver's licence - we could slow a few of them down by making them do a dog ownership test, which asks questions about how to choose a breeder and raise a puppy? And those that show they can't look after a dog can have their licence and dog "revoked".

    I want almost everyone to have a dog, but I want everyone to think about what they encourage by where they get it from, and to always training their dog and learning new things about dog ownership. I probaly have way higher standards than what the basic requirements are, this would be one reason i can't abide our local dog park christmas brekkie. Too many irresponsible dog owners and unsupervised naughty dogs in one place with food and small children.

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    They often have presentations on talk back radio or tv shows like the Project about puppies. Unfortunately people like The Berk, Roger RamVet and our PM still market puppy farms.

    And the people against puppy farms have such horrific stuff that a lot of potentail buyers switch channels.

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    It is a shame that humans need our governments to hold our hands, lay down laws and reinforce them with fines before we will do the right thing. Unfortunately for the case of 'the puppy in the window' pet shops & their suppliers it's a money spinner and the government will let that slide so we need to regulate ourselves.

    Education on the boom of the ooodle and puppy farms etc is unfortunately slow in coming but it is out there.

    If people researched before buying a pet they would probably come across all the information they needed on where best to purchase their pet and be happier with their choice in the long run, whether that be from an ethical registered breeder or a shelter or pound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    I'm pretty sure it's illegal to sell leopard skin rugs in Australia. If it weren't, you would still get some people buying them.
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    The point being that once upon a time it wasn't, it was accepted practice. That changed because of education, which led to shifting public opinion, which led to legislative change.

    Sorry Apuppyforme, I have to disagree. How can anone plead lack of information in this, the world of the internet?? Google is our friend is it not? The RSPCA is pretty well known in the community, they have vast resources available publicly at the click of a mouse that will tell puppy purchasers about all sorts of useful info when they're looking for a pup.

    People have a greater capacity than ever before to find out stuff for themselves, yet sometimes we still want to be spoonfed information.

    And still no-one has told me any trait a designer crossbred has that is not found in an existing purebred. Anyone?

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