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    Don't buy into their whole speel of "Groodles don't shed coat", complete and utter lie. Anyone is welcome to come vacuum the poodle hair out of my rug or brush all the dead hair out of mine weekly.

    Some exceptional puppies and all red puppies sell for a premium price, decided on a case by case basis.
    Raising price based on color, BIG red flag. Ridiculous.

    They are also claiming all profts go to the Timor charity??? That in itself sounds suspicious.

    We have donated as of 30 December 2010 over $57,575 to this cause.


    I know no-one is going to change your mind, but why a Groodle and not just a standard poodle from a reputable breeder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crested_Love View Post
    I know no-one is going to change your mind, but why a Groodle and not just a standard poodle from a reputable breeder?
    I reckon maybe just for the same reason as some people want a lab and not a poodle? Choosing a dog you like is really very subjective and obviously to some people the specifics really matter. Hard to understand for me because I couldn't care less what breed my dog is. But regardless of preferences everyone should care where their pup comes from. I just do not believe that responsible breeding should be the monopoly of purebred breeders. I think ethical breeding of crossbreeds is possible and should be encouraged instead of throwing the baby out with the bath water.

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    I think ethical breeding of any dog is paramount as well... But I rarely see anything ethical when it comes to breeding mixes. All I see is supply and demand.

    Purebred breeders are now a rare breed themselves so they are far from holding the monopoly. Designer dogs are taking over and I won't give up the fight for purebreds.

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    Hey crested, im not getting a groodle, just wanted thoughts on the site. Im getting a cavoodle and i dont buy into non shedding or a certain size, im aware that it could be just about any combo of the parents. Why? Cause i like them, and i have the time and ability to cope with both breeds temperament, exercise and coat requirements, with some time up my sleeve in case mixing both coats makes harder work than either parents coat.

    Also in the ACT we dont get designer dogs at the rspca or pound. We get kelpie crosses and mastiff crosses. Those byb i think are the ones pele should be worried about. They are producing lots of unwanted dogs as the buyers are after a "tough" dog, and dont have the brains to desex thei dogs, thus populating our pounds with unwanted "dangerous dogs" well thats what joe public is going to think of the "ugly" mastiff cross sitting on death row.

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    Making oodles and oodle breeders ostracized just sends it all underground where dodgy people do dodgy things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crested_Love View Post
    I think ethical breeding of any dog is paramount as well... But I rarely see anything ethical when it comes to breeding mixes. All I see is supply and demand.

    Purebred breeders are now a rare breed themselves so they are far from holding the monopoly. Designer dogs are taking over and I won't give up the fight for purebreds.
    Would purebred breeders be breeding if they had no one buying their pups? Call me cynical but I think it's a bit of a joke to say that purbreed breeders do it only for some altruistic higher purpose. If they don't do it to make a living, they probably do it because they want to win best in show.

    I do not see how breeding pups according to supply and demand is automatically unethical. You cannot seriously be suggesting that we should be breeding pups for which there is no demand? That happens enough accidentally as our pounds indeed know all too well.

    We should be encouraging good breeding practices for ALL breeders in regards to:
    relevant health checks
    the condition of the breeding dogs (including how often they breed, etc)
    the condition the pups are raised in (including proper socialisiation, etc)
    screening of potential owners

    And that should apply just as much to breeders of crossbreeds as of purebreeds.

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    The amount of Whippets bred now compared to several years ago has lowered and many breeds are the same.

    The entries at shows has lowered.

    Yes of course I bred with the hope of getting my next BIS. The minute I stop showing will be the minute I de-sex all my dogs and bitches and never breed from them again.

    I do not make any profit whatsoever from my dogs, they cost me money.

    Many breed clubs including mine pick up after byb's, bringing unknown dogs in with our own dogs, driving to house inspections, making mobile calls etc (gonna hate seeing my phone bill this month).

    Many show people only have a litter about every two years.

    Many shelters will transport interstate. I don't limit myself to my area when looking for a dog, if I was looking for a crossbred I wouldn't limit myself to my local area either.

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    Pure vs mixed is an age old debate, and I am not against mixed breed dogs, don't get me wrong, but I find it absolutely wrong that people breed litters without already having homes lined up.

    "But my sister and aunt want one"

    Yep that's fantastic... but what about the other 6 puppies in the litter? Take them to a pet shop? Whack an ad in the newspaper? A good breeder who does everything the RIGHT way will already have a waiting list of homes. Yep that means you may have to wait for a puppy but the impatient or impulsive people don't want to wait for the right dog, they just want a puppy now.
    I myself have been waiting over a year now for a new pup and I wouldn't consider going anywhere else, I want one from this specific breeder because I know she is just that good.

    How much do you charge?
    Purebreds generally go for around $1,000 to $2,000 depending on the health testing needed, so why are designer dogs so much more?
    Look at your average designer dog litter...
    A lot of them are people who have 2 dogs (lets say a poodle and a cavalier) that they already own.
    They may decide to get hip and elbow scores and a general health check.
    They have paid $1,000 each for both the dogs they already have.
    So that makes (at a rough estimate) $2,500 that these dogs "owe" them.

    If they have a litter of 6 puppies and sell them for the going designer dog rate of $2,000 per puppy MINUS what the parents and health checks cost them that leaves a total profit of...

    $9,500 for the litter.

    Look at a purebred show dog litter, take the poodle for example....

    Mother costs $2,000. Father is also $2,000.
    Health checks include PRA, hip and elbow scores minimum.
    That takes the total up to roughly $5,500

    Now being a show dog you would expect them to have their champion titles to prove they are good examples of the breed and worthy of being bred from. Champion titles may not mean much to the average person but they are very important as it shows the breeder isn't just 'kennel blind' and their dogs really are good.
    Now cost of entry fees up to the title of champion plus cost of travelling to shows...

    It takes a max of 17 shows to title a dog, as with my breed I can only get the minimum points at each show as I am the only one of the breed.
    so 17 shows at $15 per entry is $255.
    I spend on average about $60 in petrol per show so that's $1020.

    Let's say the show dog sells the same price as the DD... $2,000 per pup at 6 pups per litter.

    So the total for the show dog is $6,775.

    Minus that from the profit of the litter and you have $5225.

    The designer dog breeder who has just bred 2 dogs pretty much at random makes $4,275 MORE than the purebred breeder who has put in all the work.
    If the designer dog breeder didn't health test (which the majority do not) that takes their profits up even higher.

    I know it's not a case of money, it's about the dogs but the figures are interesting. I personally would make much less money on a litter as the going rate in Tasmania for my breed is around $600 - $800 whereas I have to buy from the mainland for the going price over there of $2,000 still.

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    That is great that you do all this rescue work, MAC. And I know that you have the best intentions with your dogs and the pups you breed. But I'm not quite sure how that all relates to the whole oodle issue here?

    I got a rescue dog, I will probably always get rescue dogs. But some people want a purebred pup from a breeder for a pet just because they like the breed and some want a specific crossbreed just because they happen to like that specific mix. And I don't really see a big difference between the two. I bet most people buying a dog don't care about standards and to them their dog's papers are really just the same as a the label on a product. And they still pay money for them.

    I'm not attacking you or any other responsible purebred breeder out there. But I still don't see why that makes breeders of crossbreeds automatically irresponsible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crested_Love View Post
    Pure vs mixed is an age old debate, and I am not against mixed breed dogs, don't get me wrong, but I find it absolutely wrong that people breed litters without already having homes lined up.

    "But my sister and aunt want one"

    Yep that's fantastic... but what about the other 6 puppies in the litter? Take them to a pet shop? Whack an ad in the newspaper? A good breeder who does everything the RIGHT way will already have a waiting list of homes. Yep that means you may have to wait for a puppy but the impatient or impulsive people don't want to wait for the right dog, they just want a puppy now.
    I myself have been waiting over a year now for a new pup and I wouldn't consider going anywhere else, I want one from this specific breeder because I know she is just that good.

    How much do you charge?
    Purebreds generally go for around $1,000 to $2,000 depending on the health testing needed, so why are designer dogs so much more?
    Look at your average designer dog litter...
    A lot of them are people who have 2 dogs (lets say a poodle and a cavalier) that they already own.
    They may decide to get hip and elbow scores and a general health check.
    They have paid $1,000 each for both the dogs they already have.
    So that makes (at a rough estimate) $2,500 that these dogs "owe" them.

    If they have a litter of 6 puppies and sell them for the going designer dog rate of $2,000 per puppy MINUS what the parents and health checks cost them that leaves a total profit of...

    $9,500 for the litter.

    Look at a purebred show dog litter, take the poodle for example....

    Mother costs $2,000. Father is also $2,000.
    Health checks include PRA, hip and elbow scores minimum.
    That takes the total up to roughly $5,500

    Now being a show dog you would expect them to have their champion titles to prove they are good examples of the breed and worthy of being bred from. Champion titles may not mean much to the average person but they are very important as it shows the breeder isn't just 'kennel blind' and their dogs really are good.
    Now cost of entry fees up to the title of champion plus cost of travelling to shows...

    It takes a max of 17 shows to title a dog, as with my breed I can only get the minimum points at each show as I am the only one of the breed.
    so 17 shows at $15 per entry is $255.
    I spend on average about $60 in petrol per show so that's $1020.

    Let's say the show dog sells the same price as the DD... $2,000 per pup at 6 pups per litter.

    So the total for the show dog is $6,775.

    Minus that from the profit of the litter and you have $5225.

    The designer dog breeder who has just bred 2 dogs pretty much at random makes $4,275 MORE than the purebred breeder who has put in all the work.
    If the designer dog breeder didn't health test (which the majority do not) that takes their profits up even higher.

    I know it's not a case of money, it's about the dogs but the figures are interesting. I personally would make much less money on a litter as the going rate in Tasmania for my breed is around $600 - $800 whereas I have to buy from the mainland for the going price over there of $2,000 still.
    You really need to separate the two issues. There is the issue whether or not it is ok to breed crossbreeds and then there is the issue about responsible breeding. Which includes the things you mention like having owners lined up before you breed, health checks, etc. The two do not have to be related! It is a sad fact that they often seem to be and we have this problem with puppy farms etc. But there is no reason whatsoever why breeders of designer crosses could not follow the same rules regarding responsible breeding as the breeders of purebreds!

    As for the price, we have discussed this before too. We have a free market economy and hence any financial transaction will be subject to offer and demand. Some purebred pups fetch a lot more than others because there are not many breeders for that breed. Yet they probably all have similar expenses.

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