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    Well im getting an oodle and have read every sticky on every forum about byb and puppy farmers. Ive watched documentaries and rspca footage. It has taken me 6 months of careful digging and reading thriugh endless rants from debra tranter and come backs from kate scoefield and ive finally found a breeder who keeps her dogs in humane conditions on a farm, she has a lot of dogs as she keeps the mums when they are finished breeding. Is she breeding formthe betterment of a line, no. Are there risks? Yes. Butnif people werent so narrow minded about fluffy dogs, this woman probably would do things properly. At the very least i know the parents are health cheched each year, and the puppies checked, wormed and vacc done.

    After reading these forums i am now reluctant to tell people what kind of dog i am getting for fearnof being lectured or yelled at. If you took the stigma away then you would take the monopoly off the puppy mills away, more byb could raise these puppies and at leat we would know rhey are receiving proper care and socialization.

    Sorry for tyipos typing on ipad ina hurry.

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    Sorry off topic of the original thread.

    But, Apuppyforme, I think when we say health checks we actually mean not the yearly health checks, but the checks for eg, heart problems ( in some breeds like newfie), Hip dysplasia, Cystinuria ( ?spelling and again in newfies). Most breeds have some health problems in their lines, which need to be checked. So that they are not present in the breeding pair.

    That is why if I am not getting my dog through a Rescue, i would like to know that my Breeder does those kind of health checks. In the pure breeds I also would like to see that the Breeder is trying to Breed to standard and improve his/her lines. And not just breed to sell. But I also know that numbers of puppies can vary, through no fault of the Breeder. I know one Breeder had 24 puppies from two bitches. Those same bitches had two puppies each the year before. It was a shock.......

    So just because they have bred a large number one year does not mean puppy farm. It is how they are kept and cared for that is the most important thing for me.

    Some so-called good Breeders are not far from being puppy farms themselves. I have been to one GSD breeder, well known and a Judge, where I was appalled at the way the dogs were kept and treated. Also have been to what some would call a BYB, where the bitch was loved and adored. A beautiful male dog was picked and they had a litter of pups that were well socialized and are now show winners with great temperament (GSD).
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    Hey Newfsie,

    Yeah I know that a proper registered breeder will do hip and eye checks etc, which the risk is this breeder I have found doesn't. I was just highlighting that at least I am getting some health checks etc. I am also welcome to meet the parents and go and have a tour.

    We had a pets paradise shut down recently. I made a complaint to the rspca, they were selling 'rescue' kittens and puppies. No health checks, no vaccinations, no worming, definately not desexed, for $60. I think thats even more irresponsible than the normal puppy mill petshops, at least those puppies cost a fortune and its harder to impulse buy them. at $60 a pop for an unhealthy but cute dog or cat in the window, every newley moved out of home teenager could afford one. Sorry - that was also off topic.

    Actually I would be interested to see what some people think of a place I stumbeld across - are we allowed to post names? its Groodles Australia . Com. Au. They say they raise teh dogs in a few families' homes and do the hip scores etc, and the profit goes to timorese children... I wonder can we figure out if that is true or not?

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    If a farmer wants to cross his very good yard working BC with his very good far casting Kelpie, I've essentially got no problem. As long as the purpose is primarily to keep one for himself to work his own property with others going to farms.

    To me, dogs are not a business, and I don't care who or what they are if the entire litter is bred with the purpose of selling the entire litter you are a dog selling business.

    Of course every dog was originally the result of cross breeding of dogs to bring to the fore certain traits for a purpose. And if rescue organisations are finding crosses of dogs more successful again there to me is a very good purpose.

    But I'm not sure what's the purpose of an oodle is other than to supply a cute dog and think along the lines of what Hy said they are misrepresented as being so many things that they are not.

    People need to be encouraged to pick a dog not on it's looks but on it's exercise and energy levels etc, I think this is how so many people end up with the wrong dog and subsequently the dog ends up in the pound.

    I'm sure there are good breeders of these designer dog breeds. I just hope that everyone who goes looking will be able to move past the pet shop window and find them and be prepared to wait for that good breeder to decide to breed again. I've waited two years for a Whippet breeder in Vic to do a mating and hopefully next April I will bring home something sensational.

    And I will always believe that those looking for a designer puppy should look thru the shelters. There is a shelter in outer western Sydney that has a lot of cute Xbred puppies waiting for homes as they are constantly saving pregnant, fluffy & very cute barely six month old dams from pounds with a belly full of pups. I'm sure other shelters are the same.

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    I looked at the site and immediately I don't like it. The first thing they are calling for is a purebred Standard Poodle with a coat colour preference. Why because Red or Apricot poodles are not as common so they are hoping these dogs will be different and more appealing.

    They sound like an agent to me unless I misunderstood, puppies are born and raised in other peoples homes.

    It all sounds very nice, but still they are puppy suppliers. They sell their puppies for more than I do.

    I donate my time and resources to Whippet Rescue & one shelter, I buy the guide dog Xmas cards. I don't put that on my webpage.

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    That is another thing i look for in a good breeder..that they support and partake in their own breed rescue. That they at least help people when people have to re-home the dogs purchased form them. Sounds like you are what i call a good breeder MAC. I would love to Breed for Breed improvement...I truly believe there are better more agile newfies in the USA and Canada. And I have looked into importing Semen and it is very feasible, but I would still have issues with selling puppies. That is just my own issue. But I so agree that dogs should be bred to improve their Breed and not just to sell puppies.
    And As I mentioned in the post Lala started, sometimes cross breed are an improvement.........Such as Search and Rescue who breed some different pure breed and cross them and Like MAC said the working dogs. That is how new Breeds came about
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    I don't really get the whole 'breeding to improve the breed' idea. If people didn't want to keep dogs as pets (or in some cases as working dogs), no one would be breeding them. In fact we would not have all these breeds then. So I cannot see anything wrong at all with breeding dogs with the purpose of providing someone with a great pet. Because that is what most of these pups will end up as.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    I don't really get the whole 'breeding to improve the breed' idea. If people didn't want to keep dogs as pets (or in some cases as working dogs), no one would be breeding them. In fact we would not have all these breeds then. So I cannot see anything wrong at all with breeding dogs with the purpose of providing someone with a great pet. Because that is what most of these pups will end up as.
    Yes but you want a pet that is happy, and healthy both physically and temperamentally and you still have a large percentage of people that participate in doggy sports, obedience and Rally-O. Hence breeding to improve the breed. To make happier and healthier dogs.

    Sadly some breeders have lost the focus of breeding to improve the breed for these purposes and instead breed to a type that might win them a show like Neo Mastiff's and Bulldogs which some breeders breed to the extreme and that can make them unhealthy. (Disclaimer: I am not saying all breeders of these breeds or all dogs of these breeds are doing the wrong thing or are unhealthy only SOME).

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    Of course I agree with the healthy and happy idea. But isn't that partly encouraged by the normal consumer principles? Good dogs improve the reputation of a breeder, regardless of whether he set out to sell pups or not.

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    So just to 'throw the idea out there' what is the difference between a 'good' backyard breeder breeding a littler of puppies - looking after them properly, having all hip scores etc done, for money, and a pig or cattle farmer - that also takes proper care of their livestock and sells them to make a living?

    I mean if the dog byb, only raises and sells the amount of puppies that is healthy for the mother, and are raised within the home etc etc, but they do it for money why is that different?

    Is it because dog is 'mans best friend' and we love them, but cows are less personable so we don't love them the same way as we do a dog?

    Just wondering, as I grew up on a farm, my perceptions of some byb may be very different to an animal lover that has not been brought up where animals are a commodity.

    (Note: I do not condone puppy mills where dogs are not treated properly).

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