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    We have already discussed the likelihood of a pup not looking like the buyer imagined

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    And we have already discussed that some people don't mind if they can't predict what their dog will look like exactly but can like a "type" of dog.

    I don't get people wanting that kind of predictability you get with purebreds as much as you don't get that people might not care or even not want it. But most people like knowing something about their dog's ancestry.

    Just out of interest, how many of those opposing deliberate crossbreeding own or have ever owned a crossbreed?

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    I am yet to see an ugly cavoodle. Some other crosses i think do not mix as well in the looks department...for example "cavadors" to me i think that the pure parent of either looks much better, but i am sure there are people out there who think they are fantastic.

    My pup was breed to demand, so i had to wait 6 months. Its the pups that are not breed to demand and look "unfortunate" that makes me sad. Thus upholding cross breeders to the same regulations as purebreeders would surely help this situation.

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    Lets be honest here....if you buy a cross breed and you know what the parents look like, then you can generally predict what your dog will look like. And you can certainly predict what it wont look like.

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    HAve you met the mostly rejected poodle crosses that get the wire type coat? The giant yellow dogs with scruffy coarse hair that falls out at a vast rate of knots?? Not "Wolfy Crosses" as so many think - Labradoodles.

    The advertising gimmicks behind these dogs leave out the less fortunate looking individuals. Of course we all think these dogs look certain ways, that's what we are shown. Spend some time working in shelters and rescue and you start to see the different, less cute ones that are the byproducts of the industry.

    What does a cavoodle look like? Like this?



    Or this?



    Or this?



    And if the cute ones which "have the look" make it into ads and calendars and greeting cards, what happened to their siblings that didn't have that look? Do we care? Going by some of the responses here, most people don't. Which is a very sad indictment on humanity.

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    You cannot generally predict the outcome of an F1 mating. The genetic material in there is vast and all combinations are unknown. Dominant, recessive, hidden, the list of genetic variability goes on, and on, and on.

    To say you can is as naive as saying if you breed a brown horse and a white horse together you will get a brown and white baby.

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    I have worked in rescue, and spent 2 years after adopting Barney volunteering at the SPCA.

    You can "generally" predict the way they will look. A poodle/cav cross is going to look like a poodle crossed with a cav...or its going to look like a poodle, or its going to look like a cav....or somewhere in between. That is what I mean by "general".

    You arent goign to end up with a great dane...or a large dog.

    Sure, you might not be able to predict the specific hair type, or whatever....but its pretty easy to get a rough idea of what you are going to get.

    For example, when I got Pippi (foxy/shih tzu x), I KNEW WITHOUT A DOUBT, I was going to get a small dog who would likely look something like either a foxy or a shih tzu or somewhere in between...I figured she could either have short or long hair or something in between. I knew, I wasnt going to get a staffy.

    I mean, must everything be spelt out. Youi can "generally" predict what a x will look like if you know the parent breeds, and you can clearly know what you are NOT going to get.

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    Also, ALL thos epictures look gorgeous to me.

    I meant to add in my last post, that sometimes those confines are ALL the new owner needs to know They know itll turn out "generally" somewhere in that range, and thats all they care about. They arent worried about the specifics of coat or whatevs

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    Those pictures contain three different pure breeds and different crossbreds. So a certain appearance really isn't a justifiable reason for wanting a specific cross.

    Coated small dogs and youngsters look like small fluffy dogs - ie: cute.

    In fact appearance is one of the major reasons for these crossbreds being rehomed as adults, because they don't turn out how the owner wanted, their coats are difficult (if not impossible) to manage. They just turn out to be something a little unexpected. So owners give them up and try again.

    And I know there are folks here who argue the health issue. How many poodles, cavs and other breeds used to create these fluffy puppies - breeds that can and do carry serious genetic faults are tested for them? PRA anyone?

    Murphy's Story - pet shop pup // Where do puppies come from?

    PRA is a huge threat to poodle crosses. Double that threat when you add poodle to another breed that can carry PRA - like Cavaliers.

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    I don't really understand this fixation on oodles. I don't know about the shelters where everyone else life. But I've been browsing the shelters in our area over the past 6 months or so as we're still contemplating a second dog. The vast majority of dumped dogs seem to be bull breeds (X) and working breeds (X). Cute, fluffy things tend to disappear from the websites pretty quickly and so do most of the labX... but there seem to be zillions of unwanted staffies and kelpies out there.

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