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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    I've just caught up with this thread and oh boy. I find the accusation that those who don't oppose crossbreeding don't care about dogs' well being or them being dumped very offensive.

    And this idea is kept going in this thread because some people still seem to be unable to separate the issues of cross breeding and the conditions in which the dogs are bred and sold. Sigh...

    No, I probably would not buy a crossbred pup from a breeder. I would not buy a purebred one either. Yes, I would try to persuade people to get a rescue instead of going to a breeder. Any breeder. Because Lala is right. If purebred breeders would stop breeding, we might finally clear the pounds! Honestly, I don't know why only people wanting to get a crossbred pup are accused of leaving the dogs at the pound to rot. Why did you not get a rescue dog? Ah, because "people want what they want". Does anyone lecture you for wanting a specific purebred dog?

    Some of you are really hung up on this whole idea of "you know what you get with purebreds". The thought doesn't seem to occur to you that lots of dog owners may be fine with not knowing how their dog will turn out exactly. But just like I like that I can guess that my mutt "probably" has some kelpie in her, they may like the idea of a dog with "some" poodle and "some" cavoodle in him. It just doesn't matter much to them which parts of which they get.

    If they wouldn't be breeding these crosses, the same people buying them now would probably buy a purebred. I wonder if they would still be accused then of falling for the 'cute puppy' idea or dumping their dog at the drop of a hat. They'd be the same people though, buying a pup for the same reasons.

    Down here you very, very rarely see designer crosses end up at the shelter. The vast majority of dumped dogs are staffies and kelpies, a great deal of them look like purebreds too.

    But I am sure that the view from your high horse is wonderful...
    There are several issues here. I agree kelpies, staffies and other high energy dogs often end up in the pound. The issue here is people dont research the breed of dog and these breeds are often inapprpriate. Kelpies are working dogs and can leap high fences if bored. So many of this type of dog will end in the pound. Crosses of these breeds are also common in pounds.

    I dont have anything against crossbreds as in the working world we are not particularly focussed on breed purity, more on working ability, but good breeders know their lines.

    On the subject of health, I have known good crossbreds but I have also known some very sad disasters, my friend had to put her little pet shop purchased crossbred down at age 3 from severe HD. My mothers rescue labradoodle cross maltese has always had a raft of heallth issues and has cost quite a few thousand dollars to deal with and continues. Other friends have had some serious temperament issues, one had a lab akita cross that was so aggressive it had to be put down at 12 months old as did the rest of the litter. I also had a friend who rescued a crossbred pup of unknown type and it died from a type of fading puppy syndrome despite the vets best efforts.

    Not sayin that this doesnt occur in purebreds because it does. I know a breeder who doesnt test for PRA in her cattle dogs and quite a few have been euthanaised.

    But the better you know your lines and what might be genetically incompatible the more likely you are to reduce these things. Knowing the lines whatever they are in the long run saves a lot of heartache, you can be sure of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    Yes, I would try to persuade people to get a rescue instead of going to a breeder. Any breeder. Because Lala is right. If purebred breeders would stop breeding, we might finally clear the pounds!
    Except that it seems their fault that pounds are full apparently. But that's probably not offensive...

    Every time I have answered something here factually it is ignored or dismissed. When I raised knowledge of the demographics of dogs in pounds in the ACT and southern NSW is an example.

    And yet, through this entire thread, the question was posed at the start as the OP, and I have asked it several times since.

    Show me one good reason for crossbreeding these designer dogs, one trait, one positive purpose that does not exist in an already recognised breed.

    Just one.

    It's great you prefer crossbreds, I'm not arguing that. I've rescued, desexed and re-homed more than my share of them. But the point of the thread was to see if there is any legitimate reason to deliberately create designer crossbreds.

    And I might have missed it, but I have yet to see it addressed, even remotely. Only 14 pages in I suppose...

    Someone else was taking about growing up in the country and purebreds being unheard of. Reading every post is an advantage sometimes so you don't feel that everything is directed at you.

    But honestly, you want for condescending, try the high horse remark. If you want to dish it out, you'd better be ready to take some back.

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    I don't agree with the original question being a decider in whether or not to breed crossbreeds. They look slightly different than any other breed. Some more so than others.

    I don't question why some want this particular Spaniel that has pretty much exactly the same temperament and purpose as his cousin, only, they look a bit different.

    And are you insinuating that there are designer crosses in ACT shelters? Plenty of crossbreeds yes, but almost predominantly staffy or working dog. As Apuppyforme said, most are obviously the result of accidental breeding because some owners cannot be bothered desexing their dogs and the laws on desexing are not enforced. These are the dogs that are readily available here, despite lots of them requiring an experienced owner, so these are the dogs that are dumped in great numbers. I would argue that it is more the determination of the staffy and the excercise requirements and intelligence of the working dog genes that lands them in the pound, not the fact that they are crossbreeds.

    And I only made that comment about purebred breeders and dogs in shelters because the same thing was said about crossbreed breeders in one of the posts here. And I just can't see why the distinction needed to be made.

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    I'm not insinuating anything. Having been employed in the industry in the ACT I am stating. These crosses turn up all the time, here and elsewhere. Don't forget that DAS has an over 93% rehome rate. You don't think that the cute dogs are the ones leftover do you? They are adopted of go straight to rescue. The desperate ones are the types of crossbreeds you have mentioned.

    And as per the original purpose of the thread, there has still not been one reason put forward (apart from appearance, which I would dispute anyway as most DDs look all different) for the purposeful crossbreeding of Oodles, Schnoos, Aliers etc.

    So it is for money?

    Nothing else forthcoming?

    And still people defend it.

    Sigh...

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    *sigh* is right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    I don't agree with the original question being a decider in whether or not to breed crossbreeds. They look slightly different than any other breed. Some more so than others.
    My post was never intended to suggest a 'deciding factor'.

    An individual posted that 'he' wanted a 'pugalier'. Numerous options were suggested;
    *trying to find one in rescue
    *considering a pure pug or pure cavalier
    *considering trying to find either of the above in rescue
    *considering a Tibetan Spaniel (as it is very similar in many ways to the cross)
    *rescuing- anything

    The individual stated 'he' did not want to consider any if the above. He wanted the 'Pugalier' because it wouldn't have the breathing problems associated with the brachy breed- an argument discounted as there is no guarantee with the cross that breathing problems will not exist.

    Reading between the lines: I want this dog for x reason and won't consider other options.

    Ergo, I asked the question what specific characteristics might one be looking for if you were the above individual.

    Go back and research through the 'wanted' threads for those wanting 'aliers', 'poos', 'oodles' and
    'schnoos'... They don't want to consider any other options... Why?

    Yes, crossbreeds are here to stay. Yes, all breeds are the result of some type of crossing. Yes, puppy mills suck, as do byb'ers. Yes pure breeders can suck, too. Rescues get pure breeds and cross breeds. Some working lines are the result of judicious cross breeding.

    All that aside- the individual at the start wanted something specific not covered by any other (sensible, IMHO suggestions)..... What?

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    Both breeds in a pugalier have breathing issues lol

    He just wanted one plain and simple.

    He was reading suggestions with his eyes shut.

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    The only reason I know of that DD crosses are deliberately bred is to rip off gullible consumers who think they are getting something special and different.

    Some of us know the reality is far from that. Yet fools and their money are easily parted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puggerup View Post
    Both breeds in a pugalier have breathing issues lol

    He just wanted one plain and simple.

    He was reading suggestions with his eyes shut.
    Yeah, I agree.

    But, if we can get a handle on the 'why' and 'what', then we are in a position to helpfully and tactfully assist and educate such people... And I think that is possibly our best way towards improving dog welfare and making a dent in puppy mills, bybreeding etc.

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    Consumerism is too rife to fix sh!t.
    We have to send the message to millions and hope that 2% at least will listen.

    People get what they want, they don't think of the repercussions to others as long as they have what they wanted to get.

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