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    But there is nothing wrong with cross breeds puggerpup, its the lack of regulations and standards surrounding how a crossbreed dog is bred. If people would accept cross breeds then they could then be bred just like a purebreed!


    We need two things, ban live animals in petshops, and register and monitor crossbreeders.
    Im going to leave this thread now, it seems only two other people will even consider that cross breed dogs arent to blame.

    Perhaps some research on the origins of the british kennel club are in order...while i am being told to research byb ( which i have and why it took me 6 months to find a breeder i was happy with).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apuppyforme View Post
    But there is nothing wrong with cross breeds puggerpup, its the lack of regulations and standards surrounding how a crossbreed dog is bred. If people would accept cross breeds then they could then be bred just like a purebreed!

    We need two things, ban live animals in petshops, and register and monitor crossbreeders.
    Im going to leave this thread now, it seems only two other people will even consider that cross breed dogs arent to
    blame.

    Perhaps some research on the origins of the british kennel club are in order...while i am being told to research byb ( which i have and why it took me 6 months to find a breeder i was happy with).
    But, APuppyforme, Noone here is blaming crossbreed dogs for anything! It's just that Noone yet has offered a good reason why one would purposefully seek a cross breed for particular characteristics. If you want a surprise package, why not rescue? Rescues have puppies. Rescues have wonderful variety to please. But don't cite temperament as a reason not to... Because your cross' temperament is going to be just as unpredictable as a temp tested rescue. And if you want to be sure of size, coat, energy levels, possible physical or medical concerns... why not buy pure where your chances of getting your list of wants is much higher? I. Just. Don't. Understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apuppyforme View Post
    But there is nothing wrong with cross breeds puggerpup, its the lack of regulations and standards surrounding how a crossbreed dog is bred. If people would accept cross breeds then they could then be bred just like a purebreed!


    We need two things, ban live animals in petshops, and register and monitor crossbreeders.
    Im going to leave this thread now, it seems only two other people will even consider that cross breed dogs arent to blame.

    Perhaps some research on the origins of the british kennel club are in order...while i am being told to research byb ( which i have and why it took me 6 months to find a breeder i was happy with).
    Did you read my post properly? You can NOT breed soundly from 2 different poor stock breeds. If you want regulations etc on cross breeds, then they become an actual new breed, but it takes many generations and tweaking to get a new breed right.. not to mention the money. A cross breed is not the beginnings of a new breed. A cross is a cross (unpredictable, from poor breeding stock and unregulated). A NEW breed is bred for specific traits with the best of each breed under specific guidelines.

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    Exactly as pugger said.

    Only just NOW are they lobbying to have "Labradoodles" as a recognised breed and actually health testing their stock and only breeding from the best. There are organisations dedicated to having it made an official breed and they don't go halfway about it; they are crossbreeding "ethically." But poodle/labs have been around for over 20 years.

    People have stupid reasons for getting oodles and aliers anyway. Pug crosses because they "won't have breathing problems" -- bullcrap. A pug cross could potentially have breathing issues as much as a purebred, and I tell you now, a WELL BRED PUG will not have breathing problems. Getting poodle crosses because they are misled into thinking there will be no shedding or minimal grooming -- wrong again! Oodle coats grow faster than poodle coats because of the heavier shedding breeds (cockers & cavaliers) in them. Not to mention they're difficult to maintain because of the sheer thickness of coat and how easily they mat. If anything, an oodle has more grooming requirements than a purebred poodle. I own a Bichon Frise who is a dream to keep in show coat compared to a 'cavoodle.'

    And don't get me started on soundness issues in larger oodles that are crossed with breeds prone to hip dysplasia like Labs, Retrievers and poodles.


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    Pugger, you CAN get purebreds from a petshop.

    Do they come with papers etc, unlikely, but they are still purebred.

    LOL say purebred fast 5 times and it starts sounding quite funny as a word

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    They don't come with papers... It makes you wonder why someone who is a breeder, would sell their pups to a pet store in the first place.
    I have my doubts that they are actually pedigree. They may have come from 2 of the same breed, but that is all.

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    I don't think they are "purebred" unless they have the papers.

    But I can print some papers for you with my nice trusty printer and some fancy paper.

    I think the main problem with the puppy farmers is they lie about so much of what they do and the product they're offering. The bottom line is that dogs are creatures not well suited to being "farmed" for mass market.

    And if the purchasers of one of these dogs has any problems they get pointed at the fine print - if it exists where the puppy mill blames the new owners for anything that goes wrong.

    If they had their own code of ethics and independent checks, and allowed the buyers to meet the parent dogs on the farm - then I'd believe some of what they say, but for now, the vast majority follow the rules they have - which is no rules - apart from making sure the dogs have food water and shelter.

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    Don't be fooled, puppy farmers can also churn out purebreds. There was a few litters of afghan hounds sold through pets paradise stores in Sydney last year, a well known puppy farmer got hold of two hounds who we carelessly rehomed and churned them out. No the petshop pups were not papered but still sold. The parents were eventually rescued and several of the pups have turned up in rescue as unmanaged youngsters who have also been rehomed.

    No one who supports cross breeding for some ill defined purpose ever addressses the issues of culling and selection. Culling and selection are behind every purebreed of animal, whether dog, cat, horse or cow etc.

    Who is selecting these crossbreds for quality? Who is culling those that don't make the grade? Even if that means desex and pet-home, I have yet to be shown even one deliberate crossbreeder who pays strict attention to it.

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    Oh goodness no, they wouldn't cull.. that would be $1k down the drain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puggerup View Post
    They don't come with papers... It makes you wonder why someone who is a breeder, would sell their pups to a pet store in the first place.
    I have my doubts that they are actually pedigree. They may have come from 2 of the same breed, but that is all.
    2 of the same breed is purebred as far as I am concerned.

    They might not be pedigree, but they are still purebred.

    I look at it like, 2 parent of the same breed make the pups purebred. When they come with papers then they are pedigreed purebreds.

    Is there a difference, only in that one comes with the ancestry and parentage listed really (obviously there are more differences but overall, a lab is still a lab whether it is papered or not - not taking into consideration poor breeding resulting in ill health etc etc, I am just meaning froma "breed" view).

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