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    First of all I am surprised that Frontline has not stopped obvious infestation. How long since you used it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuri_89 View Post
    Today i went and bought some flea shampoo for both the dogs and the cats. Washed all the animals, then used the frontline drops on the cats and also gave them an oral treatment. i then went and did the dogs with a frontline spray and also gave them an oral treatment. They no longer have any bedding as i've thrown it all out (they rarely use anyway as it's too hot they rather sleep on the tiles) our house is fully tiled except the carpet in my bedroom so i may get some stuff for the carpet tomorrow. is there anything else i should be considering? fingers crossed this should do it!
    Woah! Back off. Seriously do not double /(triple?) dose. Once, and they should be OK, but that is not the way to go. You need to treat the dogs as prescribed/said on the packet. Then you also need to deal with the environment.

    Fleas can get into furniture. So no carpets does not guarantee anything. You are going to have to either:

    - do one of those tent fumigations...then keep working to control
    - keep working.

    The good thing is that in order to feed to breed , fleas are going to have to move out of areas that they have infested. So if you poison _around_ areas they infest, (such as furniture), they will die or at least be dying as they get out. Then if they get on your pets and meet more poison....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuri_89 View Post
    Also, i myself am not feeling any effects from the fleas, no bites or anything on me so have i got it in time?
    Not really. BUT. I have had situations where fleas were biting me, but the situation was controllable. However it's still going to need a regimented and repeated approach. DO NOT go in and double dose everything. It may work for a while, but repeats and vigilance is everything. I have a motto when dealing with Nature:

    - persistence wins over perfection.

    Nature just keeps plugging away. You need to keep plugging back. One battle does not win the war (etc etc )

    I sense a bit of desperation, and I have been there. I am sure that what is being said is not helping, as this is going to be a big thing in your life for a while. But it can be done. However it has to be done with specific , reasoned steps. Panic (very understandable...been there done that) is NOT GOOD. Persistence Persistence Persistence.

    OK. The space lawn around the pool will still harbour fleas and eggs. Not maybe as well, but still there. So any area the dogs frequent needs treatment with whatever you think will work. My HONEST opinion is that the nicer the treatment, the less likely it will succeed and the more often it needs to be applied. Residual poisons are not nice, but effective. I am not a devotee of the area bombing approach, but that has often cost me.

    OK I have talked a lot. You are clearly not happy. I will leave it there until you reply, before I overwhelm you.

    Persist.

    Nick

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    I didn't think that washing the dogs with flea treatment ( to remove MOST of the living fleas), then giving them an oral treatment (to give them some protection for three weeks) and then spraying them with frontline (to kill the remaining flea's on their coat) would count as triple dosing. I will however take your advice on treating their environment as well as treating my furniture. I've always been diligent with treating them with sentinel (dogs) frontline (cats) every four weeks - however originally coming from New Zealand this treatment has usually been enough as we don't have so much of a flea epidemic. This will be my first summer in Australia so it's still a learning curve for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chipps View Post
    Comfortis here also.

    Yes it is expensive but very effective, Been using other treatments for years with poor results. Definitely worth the money spent.

    One tab a month with food is so easy.
    Does it matter if how old the dog is? Is it safe for all ages?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuri_89 View Post
    I didn't think that washing the dogs with flea treatment ( to remove MOST of the living fleas), then giving them an oral treatment (to give them some protection for three weeks) and then spraying them with frontline (to kill the remaining flea's on their coat) would count as triple dosing. I will however take your advice on treating their environment as well as treating my furniture. I've always been diligent with treating them with sentinel (dogs) frontline (cats) every four weeks - however originally coming from New Zealand this treatment has usually been enough as we don't have so much of a flea epidemic. This will be my first summer in Australia so it's still a learning curve for me.
    OK. A wash and then one of the others is fine, but although Frontline spray and drops are topically applied, the fact that they last so long and in particular fact that the drops work all over they body and even stop eggs, indicates to me that they are not just topical in their workings. So and oral dose and drops, for instance, is a double dose into the body for sure. Oral and spray probably.

    Frontline spray should be deterring fleas from even getting on the dog, and certainly be controlling them as soon as they get into the hair, or bite. I have never heard anything but good about it until now, and even my worst infestation was beaten by it, quite rapidly. AFAIHS frontline on dog means no (or very few if the environment needs a clear up as well) fleas on dog. I have to admit to being at a bit of a loss about your situation, sorry.

    I was told to make sure Frontline was put around the anal area and on the chin. Obviously not actually in the mouth and do not spray the face, but onto a glove and then rub on. But these areas are apparently like watering holes for fleas.

    To ID the source, the only suggestion I can make is to try (and this may be tough on several fronts) first not taking them to meet other dogs for a couple of weeks and seeing if that helps. If not, then you will have to try keeping them away from the backyard, beyond toilet stops. Sandy soil is definitely a great harbour, where eggs can be deposited and fleas picked up.

    There are various suggested treatments. I have never used any of these for flea control, so their effectiveness is not for me to say. I just know what else they can do They have been mentioned here. Diatomaceous earth seems popular. However I know the pool filter stuff is VERY nasty to breathe. It's extremely fine and its structure is abrasive. There is a pesticide type that I gather is better. However I would be very careful about throwing it about the place, when the dogs are going to be there. Others may say otherwise. I just know I have worked with the pool filter stuff and I was warned to wear a mask and to be careful. Lime will change the PH of your soils (maybe for the better! depends) to make it less acidic (more alkaline). Don't use salt on soil for obvious reasons.

    Nick

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    Quote Originally Posted by insure4u View Post
    Does it matter if how old the dog is? Is it safe for all ages?
    My pup is 4 and a half months and it was my vets idea for him to start on it now. It's well worth trying.

    Kuri,

    For all the effort and expense you are going to i would suggest that if you dont have any great results soon just give the comfortis a go. You wont regret it and it's so easy. My pup just eats it straight out of my hand. Dont worry about lime changing PH levels, just keep it about a foot away from your plants. I' ve used it heaps and never had a drama but with the comfortis i dont even bother doing it any more.


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    I've heard alot of good things about comfortis, my groomer who also had her dog on sentinel, changed to comfortis and she highly recommends it. I will see how i go in the next coming weeks and if i don't get good results i will give it a go. Thanks very much for your recommendations everybody.

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    Well given my and others' results with Frontline, I will be interested to hear, so please let us know, either way. I wonder if it's horses for courses, because you see so much good said about several of these and then suddenly it just lets somebody down.

    Regarding environment clear up, I would _hope_ that once you have it under control, you will only have to treat the dog with whatever.

    Nick

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    i've always had good results with frontline regarding my cats, i treat them every four weeks with the drops, i've still yet to see a flea on them but since i caught flea's on the two dogs i decided to treat them all at the same time. Molly has always been treated with sentinel, but when i first caught a tick on her i went and got the frontline spray (this was about the same time i saw one or two flea's on her tummy) that was about 8 weeks ago? and she still continued to have fleas and i also caught another tick on her. Could be anything, maybe i didn't use the appropriate amount of pumps, could be the environment, she still could've caught them from mums dog. I've decided no dog park for the next week just walks around the block, just going to have to be a process of elimination will update you on the progress

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    Sounds good Kuri (love the name BTW, i'm a ex kiwi from windy Wellington)

    Just on the frontline stuff, i used to use it a long time a go but then it seemed to loose it's effectivness for some reason.

    As for ticks, well the only way i was 100% sure was to check my dog twice a day by hand. After having my old Labrador paralysed about 3 times i never trusted any product to do the job. Although Molly would be hard to check with all that fluffy fur so i guess its worth using a product aswell as daily checks. Thankfully i live in a tick free area now (even my vet isnt sure why no ticks in Bundy) but it is a shocker for fleas here. Good onya for going to all this effort for your pets. They will be very thanfull for it, i'm sure.


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    Interesting that about the FL stopping working, Sean. I wonder if the local population developed resistance. Maybe it's a good idea to change to a product that uses a different active ingredient every year or so. It's done a lot in agriculture. Were you at the same location throughout?

    AHAH! I DAGS fleas frontline resistance and there were a _lot_ of hits.. Int - erestinnnnng.

    However http://www.frontlineresistance.co.uk/ is an interesting read. Although they do sell FL on the page, they are cynical about marketing and brand names. Basically the articles back up what has been said here.

    On the FL bottle it does say that ticks will not be killed straight away, so they warn you to check for paralysis ticks daily.

    When you apply FL make sure to ruffle the hair/fur against itself to get the stuff right down to the skin. That's where it really should do its work.

    Hope something works. It must be really frustrating.

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