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    I don't give a rats what these things are called.
    My dogs sort themselves, I know which one wields the most authority.
    They ALL have to obey my authority when I choose to exert it.

    What the hell does it matter what it is called? Don't we all just run our pets and us the best way for our situations?

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    I'm all for the alpha male theory mixed with a bit of positive reinforcement.
    Same goes with my kids, nothing wrong with a bit of good old fashion discipline.
    Before anyone jumps down my throat have a look at where our society is today and where its heading without discipline??? Dont see the connection???
    Even with dogs people are treating them like humans nowadays not surprisingly thiers plenty of dogs that wouldnt know their place in family.

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    I am more saying the whole you walk out first, they get fed last Im not into that kinda stuff.

    One of the ONLY reasons I feed Ruby after us is so she can get any leftovers we have. If we are having take away or something I will feed her first so she is not slobbering all over us while we eat I honestly dont think it makes a scrap of difference.

    Disapline is another story... or is it? Am I the one who has this thread wrong haha
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    Are you saying the Alpha dog theory contains no discipline? Alpha males stand over most of the pack if they didnt theyd no longer be alpha male, i would see this as a form of discipline.

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    my dogs eat whenever they need food, they dont scoff unless its meat or our leftovers haha, A FULL bowl of dried food each will last them all day, when i get home they each get 500g+ of a meat loaf thing, 1 chicken frame each every 3rd day a bone each day and some raw meat twice a week. They are big dogs and get A LOT of exercise, nothing seems to upset their bellies and they are very healthy weight wise etc. Just one dog who i think will be a bit smaller than she should due to illness.

    So as BL said i dont think it makes a difference, they know who is boss between them and the boss of them knows that i am high command.

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    It doesn't matter what it's called, but how we think a dog's mind works does influence how we treat them. Like whether we allow them on the couch or our beds, whether we intentionally feed them after we've eaten and extreme (and very impractible!) stuff like whether we pay attention to not averting our eyes before the dog does and stuff. I think if you start concentrating too much on the unimportant stuff because you think you ought to act like a wild dog and always assert your dominance over your dog, you risk losing track of the important things, which is making sure that you and your dog get on, that the dog is happy and content and that they do what you want them to up to the level you want them to.

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    i am high command. Said Luke.

    OT but reminds me that I told Army son that no matter what rank he achieves that I will ALWAYS outrank him. Hmmmmm, same philosophy for my dogs, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter70 View Post
    Are you saying the Alpha dog theory contains no discipline? Alpha males stand over most of the pack if they didnt theyd no longer be alpha male, i would see this as a form of discipline.
    No, not saying that at all.

    The whole "Alpha" thing I look at very similar to the way I look at the bible.

    I will pick and choose what I want to believe, what I think is Bullsh!t, what I choose to use in life and I chose to make Bad jokes about after a few strongbows! No-one can tell me that I HAVE to do any different!

    IMO there is still the need for this "Alpha" sort of position in the family, between dogs ect but I think alot of it is out dated and no real reason to be used. Like with the feeding first, coming out the door first etc Plus the constant need to intimidate and stand over a dog to show you are boss is IMO a crock off bullflaps!
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter70 View Post
    I'm all for the alpha male theory mixed with a bit of positive reinforcement.
    Same goes with my kids, nothing wrong with a bit of good old fashion discipline.
    Before anyone jumps down my throat have a look at where our society is today and where its heading without discipline??? Dont see the connection???
    Even with dogs people are treating them like humans nowadays not surprisingly thiers plenty of dogs that wouldnt know their place in family.
    I think this is where the confusion always creeps in. Not believing in the dominance theory does not mean you are against discipline. Most of the people on this forum who are really into the positive reinforcement training use methods that are about teaching the dog self control, like triangle of temptation. Yet they do not have to 'stand over' their dogs to achieve this.

    And the same goes for my child too. I don't use any kind of physical intimidation on her but she will do what she is told because otherwise there will be no tv, no Wii or she can cook her own dinner! That is very different from this image of the alpha male wolf/dog using aggression and physicial intimidation to make the other pack members submit. If that was the only way to exert your position of control with your dog, only big, burly males would own big dogs! Yet, I've seen petit women control dogs that probably weighed more than themselves without any effort.

    ETA: And I think we continuously mix up alpha and dominance. They are two seperate thing. Alpha just means leader. There are many different ways to maintain leadership. Dominance pretty much means using intimidation to force others to submit to your control. And the latter is what the disagreements are about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog_Lover View Post
    choose to use in life and I chose to make Bad jokes about after a few strongbows! No-one can tell me that I HAVE to do any different!
    You need to try a different cider, strongbow SUCKS

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