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    I wish my dog was like that BL! She prefers jumping on kids to jumping on adults. It's a pain in the proverbial. She is getting much better with my daughter, but for now I have to supervise her with other kids because of the jumping. There is no risk of her biting, but she can easily scratch a 6-7yo in the face with this.

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    The jumping is what we are working on at home now with our boy.
    He just loves kids but is way too strong for them to stop his advances.

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    I don't have kids and would certainly never leave anyone else's kids alone with either of my dogs (for the same reason as many here, don't trust kids not to do what they are told not to). Point in case, my nephew has been told many a time not to pat them on the head (only pat underneath), not to stick fingers up noses, pull tails etc but he still does it, but I am always there to catch him and tell him off for it or someone from my family is. Both my dogs are pretty solid with kids and spent a fair bit of time with kids growing up but I don't expect them to be 100% bombproof because any dog given the right circumstances can snap at a child. And as Ange said, I am not having my dog PTS because of irresponsibility on my part or irresponsibility of a child's parent.

    Sorry Lala that incident with Barney made me cringe. Do you know how many children are mauled because parents have allowed them to play near or with a dog or its food during dinner time. There was one earlier this year that ended with a Lab mauling a 3yo girls face down near Lismore in NSW because the child was allowed to play near the dog whilst it was eating. Obviously this incident made you more confident in Barney but it could have ended a lot worse and that I find irresponsible, those are the incidents that give dogs a bad name...oh the dog snapped for no reason....yeah right. I also know you have in the past had RB X's. We are desperately fighting against BSL and there are people out there doing silly things like this that end up in dog attacks with people saying oh look at that RBx that just "snapped" "attacked without provocation""no reason""no warning" etc etc. I know Barney isn't RB but if you are happy to do this with Barney then I am sure you would do it with any dog. Meanwhile we are trying to advocate for more responsible ownership.

    Sorry Lala above is also aimed at other members as I noticed many other members on here also leave their children alone with their dogs, Your particular story stuck out because of the situation with the food so I used it as an example. If we as a responsible dog community don't find the need to supervise our children and dogs together, how can we expect the general community with dogs (not necessarily doggy people) to supervise their children and dogs together.
    Last edited by Keira & Phoenix; 10-17-2011 at 02:40 PM.

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    we had our dalmatian PTS after it bit our 3 yr old- I was less than 1 meter away when it happened. Child was patting dog gently but then put his face too much in the dogs face and bam, quick as lightening there was broken skin above childs eye.
    The whole situation completely broke my heart.

    We have a beagle now- complete pain in the butt, food obsessed/stealer, but 100% bomb proff with the children. I will happily leave my children alone with him. However- if we have children over to visit who are under 4ish I would supervise well.
    Note though- dog is fed outside by himself and the children help feed him but are not allowed outside while he eats the food.
    Last edited by sweetboy; 10-17-2011 at 04:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetboy View Post
    we had our dalmatian PTS after it bit our 3 yr old- I was less than 1 meter away when it happened. Child was patting dog gently but then put his face too much in the dogs face and bam, quick as lightening there was broken skin above childs eye.
    The whole situation completely broke my heart.

    We have a beagle now- complete pain in the butt, food obsessed/stealer, but 100% bomb proff with the children. I will happily leave my children alone with him. However- if we have children over to visit who are under 4ish I would supervise well.
    Note though- dog is fed outside by himself and the children help feed him but are not allowed outside while he eats the food.
    That is sad. Sorry for the loss of your Dally.

    Most dogs exhibit warning signs when they are uncomfortable with children, but most parents do not understand or even see those signs. Google Liam Perk and have the tissues ready it is a VERY sad, heart wrenching story.

    People think that supervising means sitting in the vicinity and just making sure the child doesn't do anything bad to the dog but supervising also entails knowing a dogs body language and making sure they can read it correctly to prevent incidents from occurring by preempting issues. As anyone who has seen a dog attack can tell you it happens in the blink of an eye, sitting only 1 meter away from child and dog and not knowing/reading the body language can end up in a serious injury because dogs are quick and they are powerful.

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    Doggy calming signals

    If you see your dog doing any of these - it is anxious about the situation and you might want to help it out before it decides it has to defend itself.

    - looking away from the source of anxiety ie a head turn away and not to look at that bird or cat over there.
    - lip licking
    - tense body, stiffness

    Most dogs dislike being patted on the head, it's a threatening gesture from the dog's point of view. I frequently do this with my dog to try to desensitise her. And I ask children to pat her under the chin or on her chest as that is much more comfortable.

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    scratching and sniffing for no apparent reason are also signs of stress or frustration.

    the most experienced dog trainers I've read or met - say that the only dogs that attack with no reason - are ones with some sort of brain illness or injury. Ie an autopsy will show a massive cancer or haemorrage or something wrong in the head.

    Most dogs will give a warning growl - unless they've been taught not to - ie scolded and punished any time they give a warning growl. Warning growls are not something you punish. They're a signal for you to sort out their problem so the dog does not feel the need do it themselves.

    If your dog is growling when you don't want them to - you train them to be ok with the thing that is upsetting them eg LAT (Look at That) game for exciting things like cats, horses, pet sheep...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetboy View Post
    we had our dalmatian PTS after it bit our 3 yr old- I was less than 1 meter away when it happened. Child was patting dog gently but then put his face too much in the dogs face and bam, quick as lightening there was broken skin above childs eye.
    The whole situation completely broke my heart.

    We have a beagle now- complete pain in the butt, food obsessed/stealer, but 100% bomb proff with the children. I will happily leave my children alone with him. However- if we have children over to visit who are under 4ish I would supervise well.
    Note though- dog is fed outside by himself and the children help feed him but are not allowed outside while he eats the food.
    That is sad, but I understand why it had to be done.......beagles are great for kids.

    I am the same as everyone I would not leave children I do not know with the dogs. I would never leave any child with Annabelle. but Katy and Lukey are really good. And so is Tessa. Breed does sometimes help, but so does training specifically for this. I have seen how tolerant Katy is with the Downs Syndrome kids she visits. They put bows in her hair and clips all over her, dress her in T-shirts and groom her. They have also painted her toe nails. They are very loving, but sometimes roughish. We are always there, but Katy loves it. It is what newfies who have been trained are all about. They have an affinity to people. Strangers too and of any age. That is why they are so useless as guard dog of any sort. People only have to smile at Katy and she is theirs. Lukey is much the same.
    My only concern is her feet. When she shakes, which the kids love, she has very heavy feet and she might accidentally scratch them. so we explain that.
    He favourite party trick is "bang" and she plays dead.
    I think there are some dogs you can trust with kids, even unruly kids. but as I said before we would have to be honest.
    I am like Hya, I use calming signs to read my dogs.Yawning is another one...... And that is why Annabelle would never be with kids......She gives them even at a distance, unless she know the kids really well.
    Jumping is one issue we do not have here at home. You cannot allow newfies to jump, now that would cause injuries.
    Last edited by newfsie; 10-17-2011 at 08:11 PM.
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    No jumping with Neo's either.
    We did have one incident with my son when he was around 4 but it was him stepping into the path of Polly whilst she was at full speed, nothing serious just a few tears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter70 View Post
    No jumping with Neo's either.
    We did have one incident with my son when he was around 4 but it was him stepping into the path of Polly whilst she was at full speed, nothing serious just a few tears.
    Yes the Zoomies in giants is just plain dangerous

    Funnily enough mine go very quiet when there is little people or physically handicapped people around. All of mine seem to be like that
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    Was a one off thing (so far anyway), most of the times both dogs give the kids a wide berth, they prefer to lay and watch from a distance. They totally adore the kids and spend alot of time with/watching them.

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