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    As a kid my mates that are twins had a Boxer. And back then we walked every where with o.ur dogs at our sides.
    Their dog named Major had one hate and it was cats. And he got to them no matter what. The cats never ended too well for them.
    So include Boxers to the mix now

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    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    Nugget doesn"t fit the breed standard (height/weight for starters) of any of the restricted breeds
    Is Nugget microchipped or desexed or has done obedience with a Government Approved organization? In that case your Registration fee for Nugget will be less than $30 Tell your mum that the fine for having an unregistered dog is $239. It's an easy choice as far as I can see. Your dog hasn't been declared a restricted breed yet so it's a bit soon to panic (as some helpful people on this list would have you believe) but I would still keep Nugget out of sight until you've registered him.
    CS has a point about Nugget not matching the breed standard for American Pit Bull terriers. Pure bred Staffordshire Bull Terriers do not look like pure bred American Pit Bull Terriers, and I'd think that most council rangers would be able to tell the difference. Whether they do is up to the individual as the Vic legislation has more holes in it than Swiss cheese......

    The UKC breed standard for the American Pit Bull Terrier states:

    The American Pit Bull Terrier must be both powerful and agile so actual weight and height are less important than the correct proportion of weight to height. Desirable weight for a mature male in good condition is between 35 and 60 pounds. Desirable weight for a mature female in good condition is between 30 and 50 pounds. Dogs over these weights are not to be penalized unless they are disproportionately massive or rangy.

    Very Serious Fault: Excessively large or overly massive dogs.
    So really, the well bred APBT can actually be quite a small dog; 35 lbs = 15.876kg for a male, or 30lbs = 13.61kg for a female. Bit like a Staffordshire Bull Terrier according to the breed standard:

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    Desirable height at withers 36-41 cms (14 to 16 ins), these heights being related to the weights. Weight: dogs: 13-17 kgs (28-38 lbs); bitches 11-15.4 kgs.
    Most knowledgeable dog folk can tell the difference between an APBT and an SBT, but unfortunately the Vic legislation can't. And that is in relation to pure bred APBTs or SBT's; when the issue of mixed breed dogs is included, ALMOST ANY dog could match the Vic legislation's description
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    Last edited by ricey; 10-03-2011 at 08:56 PM. Reason: clarity

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    What Ricey and K&P said.

    The way the legislation is written any cross breed can be declared. And there is no out for them because they have no ANKC papers and they are not "a particular breed". Any short coat musclely dog is likely to be declared.

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    one thing i learnt form this forum, dont bother, just give up and shoot the dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mymatejack View Post
    I hope you are right about pedigree dogs(other than amstaff) however i can't see how vcat could take those papers into account the way the law is written. Is there somewhere else in the legislation that spells out that pedigree dogs are safe?

    You can't declare a dog which has pedigree papers proving its parentage as SBT/Amstaff/etc etc another breed. Pedigree dogs are safe. Non pedigree dogs are not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaz Tarja View Post
    You have no idea how tall her dog is. If you have actually read the standard that they are using the height which is 43 cm – 53 cm (this taken from the DPI website) at the withers. that can very very easily include many SBT's that I have seen, worked with and met out on the street.
    True, but there is nothing stopping her from telling me (the height) The dog is a Purebred Staffy and the breed standard is 36-41CMs so I can only assume the dog conforms to standard without any other info. Ruby McNugget wrote a very panicked post a few days ago and I asked some questions of her to try and help her deal with the council and her Mum and get her dog registered and safe. I was going to suggest that some forum members might like to contribute a couple of $ to help her pay the registration fee. I couldn't understand the other forum members continuing with their hysterical post campaign when Kass was so obviously panicked and seemingly desperate (or so I thought). Now I read she has gone on a horse camp. What happened to the panic about Nugget?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mymatejack View Post
    ummm, where do i live then?
    Sorry had you mixed up with someone else.

    Quote Originally Posted by mymatejack View Post
    Does my dog rush or bite people, well the only rushing is him running to say hello and no he's never bitten anyone. No he's not a problem barker. Depending on how close to the standard he needs to be he possibly does meet the standard(there's photo's of him in the dog photo's thread, go look and you tell me!). He is a staffordshire bull terrier without papers.
    I'd say no. He's too short. He's not big enough to be a pitbull.
    How tall is he?
    Quote Originally Posted by mymatejack View Post
    I have a neighbor who has reported several of my other neighbors to the council for stupid little things, so its a real risk that he will report my dog. I have met one of the rangers from my local council and she seemed to be a nice lady, but who knows what will happen if they come and look my dog over.
    Youve got an imbecile neighbor (They're everywhere) who has never reported you for anything and the ranger is nice. What do you reckon your chances are? I reckon you'll be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    The dog is a Purebred Staffy and the breed standard is 36-41CMs so I can only assume the dog conforms to standard without any other info.
    How many purebred dogs have you ever met? and how many have actually conformed to breed standard? the answer: not many. standards are GUIDELINES but some people (and judges) prefer taller/shorter/stockier/leaner (or whatever) dogs. if you have dogs out there that have no pitbull in them and are a little tall for their breed they can and probably will be labelled as such and be PTS.

    and this is fair how?
    "In order to really enjoy a dog, one doesn't merely try to train him to be semihuman. The point of it is to open oneself to the possibility of becoming partly a dog." - Edward Hoagland

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    I agree with the breed standards, as it is up to the actual judge at that particular show.
    Friends have a King Cavalliar and they were told that he was too tall for the standard.
    But at the next show he came away with a second place.

    I will go to football here as this is the way I see it.
    It is all up to the way that particular umpire reads and understand the rule. I have seen that one umpire will award a free kick for the exact same thing the other umpire had let go.
    So it is all down to the way each one reads and understand what is writen down. It should be simple but this is so far from the truth. While people are incharge there will alway be mistakes made either in football or in the show ring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rid**** View Post
    While people are incharge there will alway be mistakes made either in football or in the show ring.
    or by council members
    "In order to really enjoy a dog, one doesn't merely try to train him to be semihuman. The point of it is to open oneself to the possibility of becoming partly a dog." - Edward Hoagland

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