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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    A web site doesn't tell you anything about what the place is really like. There was an article in The Australian about the oodle rage and they visited this place
    All it said was that it looked really nice but nowhere did they write that they actually saw the breeding dogs. I would be suspicious of a place that has 50 pups for sale at any given time. They don't mention how many bitches they have. Only that they desex and rehome them when they are 8.

    The same article visited another puppy farm nearby. The description made it sound a bit dirty. But their dogs all lived inside with them and they kept their retired bitches as pets.

    I'll find the article later. I'm typing on my phone.

    I believe I know the article you are talking about and I got something different out of it than you did...it was the article that led me to their website.

    Perception I guess.

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    IMO 23 puppies available as of yesterday at Billabong farms but it's not a "puppy farm"? any where a puppy can be bought in bulk is to my mind of thinking not a great thing puppies are not calves or sheep to be bred in herds, companion animals just don't do well locked in cages with little or uncertain interactions from the same person over 9 weeks.

    I would love to know how many puppies get a single carer to look after and do a socialisation program with them and what amount of time is spent with them by the one person.

    Billabong farms is according to their website a registered breeder? umm ok that implies that they are breading a recognised breed being registered with council to have 50 or more dogs is not the same as being a registered breeder or am I wrong and now oodle dogs are recognised and have to meet standards or can they just wack two dogs together and pump out some pups and charge mega $$ but it is to me their way of trying to justify and legitimise their dogs.

    Billabong Farms actually say on their site Billabong Creek Farm - Spoodle & Cavoodle Breeders "The difference between us and a backyard breeder or unregistered breeder is that they don’t have a “domestic animal breeding business permit/license or a ’planning permit' and their residence is not zoned for this activity." And then go on to justify the existence of the business of "breeding" at Billabong Farms.

    I would much prefer to buy from a BYB with a single litter that has the passion for and the health of their puppies and breading animals in mind, one that wouldn't breed from a bitch continuously until the age of 8 and then sell the bitch on for $$. A breeder of a very small amount of litters one at a time, BYB or otherwise has the time to spend with the pups doing a proper socialisation program and also has contact continuously from the first thought of a Bitch and Sire, the whelp and then to the choice and placement of puppies appropriately, to me that is what a good breeder is even if done in the back yard, bedroom or by a council "registered" or ANKC/state breed association REGISTERED breeder.

    I don't care that the dog is a oodle,/chi/dore/feline/fush/poo etc dog because in the scheme of breeds they all had to start somewhere and just because it is a recent breeding x makes it no less legit, the price well that's up to the people buying one, I don't complain if someone pays more for homebrand then I do for a branded item so why would I honestly care if the same person shelled out more then I did for a "full" pedigree (6x) Bull Terrier, their problem not mine.

    What I care about is that a dog for sale should come from a fully researched and health/temperament tested etc Dam and Sire, breeders with a "family style", loving, concerned, well adjusted, responsible and passionate environment for the Sire, Dam, pups, breed and animals in general. To my mind Billabong Farms do not fill my requirements of how a well bred dog should be bought into the world, even the Billabong Farm website makes me feel sad.

    I know there is no way my husband and I could look after 50+ dogs in a loving and caring environment be their with every whelp week after week as well as fully investigating any person that wished to give a home to at least one of up to 23 pups at a time let alone bring up a couple of well adjusted litters with me 24/7, and I don't know why people including the PM and her partner would want to buy from a place that couldn't provide those things.
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    Ah ok, 50 dogs and 23 puppies. I agree kdee.

    You can also order a pup online and get them sent to you. That is so wrong too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    Ah ok, 50 dogs and 23 puppies. I agree kdee.

    You can also order a pup online and get them sent to you. That is so wrong too.
    I just can't see how that is ethical even just having the 23 pups at one time, lol one is a handful and I think we all know that from experience I know I do with Zeke and I adore him. BTW I am not an animal activist as I think they go to far just as these "farms" at times and I don't support things like PETA they seem to be just as knee jerky as the Vic Government is with BSL. I just support ethical and sound breading practices and welfare of any and all animals. I don't think that makes me a nutter just makes me human, passionate and compassionate.

    Yeah the online ordering is a bit of a worry as there simply can be no thorough vetting of potential owners and even more so now because of the publicity that these types of "farms" will get, how better to keep up with the Jonses then by buying a fluffy little cute puppy that is also very publicly known to be owned by the PM of Australia, after all it is reported in all the articles to be a x breed that needs no real single owner, just shove it in a cupboard and get someone to pull it out for a cuddle when they want, the ultimate no guilt pet for the person that wants or can give very little interaction.
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    ordering online is defnitely an issue.

    They wouldnt be the only breeder with that many dogs.

    There was a wheaten terrier breeder in NZ, very high up in the NZKC (he was also a judge) and he had 150 dogs or something....

    IMO, if the pups being rehomed are healthy and happy, then they are probably doing something right

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lala View Post
    ordering online is defnitely an issue.

    They wouldnt be the only breeder with that many dogs.

    There was a wheaten terrier breeder in NZ, very high up in the NZKC (he was also a judge) and he had 150 dogs or something....

    IMO, if the pups being rehomed are healthy and happy, then they are probably doing something right
    No it is scary the amount of people doing breeding in this way with dogs and cats

    I think I would be the insane one with 150 dogs I don't know how people can justify it let alone support them by buying animals, how could anyone think it was a healthy way to breed animals.
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    it wasnt healthy...alot of the dogs had mental issues. He kept them in sub standard living environments...it was all over the news for ages.

    My point was, he was a registered breeder and very highly regarding in the purebred world and he was just a puppy mill.

    At the end of the day, if someone is breeding pups that are healthy and happy then IMO they aren't doing too badly.

    Obviously there is more to it than that but I think that's the main thing for me.

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    If everyone who bought a puppy would visit the breeder and meet the dogs. And only buy from places where the dogs were well looked after and happy, there would be no puppy farms/mills.........And there are Breeders out there who sell registered pure bred dogs that are also puppy farms/mills. And like you said some of those, and there are several, are well respected judges and or show their dogs. Not everyone who shows/breeds/is registered is into the welfare of dogs
    I find it sad and frustrating that we cannot do anything about this. The Animal welfare groups do not have enough clout. As so many of these so-called Breeders are important people or know people who are.
    We as individuals just have to try and do the right thing and hopefully teach some people along the way. And help some make better decisions.
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    great post newfsie

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfsie View Post
    If everyone who bought a puppy would visit the breeder and meet the dogs. And only buy from places where the dogs were well looked after and happy, there would be no puppy farms/mills.........And there are Breeders out there who sell registered pure bred dogs that are also puppy farms/mills. And like you said some of those, and there are several, are well respected judges and or show their dogs. Not everyone who shows/breeds/is registered is into the welfare of dogs
    I find it sad and frustrating that we cannot do anything about this. The Animal welfare groups do not have enough clout. As so many of these so-called Breeders are important people or know people who are.
    We as individuals just have to try and do the right thing and hopefully teach some people along the way. And help some make better decisions.
    Which makes it extra sad that someone with such a high profile as the PM would do something like this.

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