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    OK I am confused, why when you see a cross breed are they not just referred to as a mutt or if people are so sure of what they are then why not refer to BOTH the sire and dams breed, the biggest example of what I am saying is when a dog attacks rarely have I ever seen a report of a pure breed and people ALWAYS say it was a "pitbull" x or a Lab x and how can a temperament and genetics be breed associated if it is a mixed/x/mutt/DD etc and there is obviously no known combination of the two contributing breeds.

    Please I don't want the pros and cons of BSL just wondering if anyone knows of how how a breed judgment and temperament assignment can be made on ANY mixed breed.
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    I call Batty a Kelpie cross because his sire is a question mark. Hedging my bets there maybe, but it works for me. I.e: one half of his breeding is known, so when asked his breed I give the known. Educated guess leads us to believe that his sire is a Staffordshire Bull Terrier, but really we have no idea what so ever as his mother was dumped into rescue pregnant.

    Basically, that judgement cannot happen accurately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdee View Post
    OK I am confused, why when you see a cross breed are they not just referred to as a mutt or if people are so sure of what they are then why not refer to BOTH the sire and dams breed, the biggest example of what I am saying is when a dog attacks rarely have I ever seen a report of a pure breed and people ALWAYS say it was a "pitbull" x or a Lab x and how can a temperament and genetics be breed associated if it is a mixed/x/mutt/DD etc and there is obviously no known combination of the two contributing breeds.

    Please I don't want the pros and cons of BSL just wondering if anyone knows of how how a breed judgment and temperament assignment can be made on ANY mixed breed.
    A cross breed is just that, a cross of two breeds, now they can be f1 crosses or up to f4 crosses after which the cross breed is then considered pure. Look up Cavanaugh Bob tail Boxer for an example, a boxer x'd with corgie over generations to instill a natural bobtail gene, to negate tail docking.
    The temperament is that of a boxer or as much as a boxer people think of boxers, My grand parents bred the big Dutch styled boxers and they would turn in there graves on that lol.

    A mutt is a mix of Cross breeds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post
    A cross breed is just that, a cross of two breeds, now they can be f1 crosses or up to f4 crosses after which the cross breed is then considered pure. Look up Cavanaugh Bob tail Boxer for an example, a boxer x'd with corgie over generations to instill a natural bobtail gene, to negate tail docking.
    The temperament is that of a boxer or as much as a boxer people think of boxers, My grand parents bred the big Dutch styled boxers and they would turn in there graves on that lol.

    A mutt is a mix of Cross breeds.
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    Thanks Beau, I get the breeding bit but what I am asking I suppose is how can people judge a dogs temperament based on "assumed" parentage in what is a dog of unknown quantity being a known breed x ? or the Mutt, as an example I am sort of guessing that would be what BSL is actually based on that it MUST be the bull side that contributes to the temperament and isn't taking into account the other part/parts of the mixture of breeds. Is there a way to genetically tell what breed is responsible for the mutt or cross breeds temperament and or dominant breed dna or do some people just have super human guessing powers that make what they say the be all and end all.

    don't you like how I am as clear as mud

    And to make it clear again I am not debating BSL but the BSL example was all I could think of to make the question clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelanBatty View Post
    I call Batty a Kelpie cross because his sire is a question mark. Hedging my bets there maybe, but it works for me. I.e: one half of his breeding is known, so when asked his breed I give the known. Educated guess leads us to believe that his sire is a Staffordshire Bull Terrier, but really we have no idea what so ever as his mother was dumped into rescue pregnant.

    Basically, that judgement cannot happen accurately.
    my Mum had a ridge back x ? and she was nothing like a RRB in fact she was more like a cat lol I dare say that wasn't the mix though, no one ever knew what she was mixed with and no one would guess but her temperament was more like a lazy Lab crossed with a comatose house cat.
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    I understand, a point of absolute truth is nobody can determine temperament by breed. within all breeds variations occur.

    Crosses or mixed muttlies it is impossible.

    Generic temperament tests can determine individual dogs temperaments yet even that is not absolute due to environments and stimuli.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post
    I understand, a point of absolute truth is nobody can determine temperament by breed. within all breeds variations occur.

    Crosses or mixed muttlies it is impossible.

    Generic temperament tests can determine individual dogs temperaments yet even that is not absolute due to environments and stimuli.
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    Cool thanks Beau just really wondered how people could know temperaments lol thought there may have been some hush hush new super testing around as all I knew about was temperament testing on individual dogs not based so much on breed.

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    It's a fair question and I doubt any of the people blaming certain crossbreeds for attacks will answer it.

    My last dog had at least 3 breeds in her, all pretty easily recognisable from physical characteristics. And they all kind of equally contributed to her appearance as well. Most people would have called her a ridgeback cross because the ridge (in her case a mohawk) is easily recognisable but her temperament was way more like that of a wolfhound/deerhound or staghound.

    I know/have known quite a few interesting crossbreeds and it is very possible to look more like one breed but act more like another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    It's a fair question and I doubt any of the people blaming certain crossbreeds for attacks will answer it.

    My last dog had at least 3 breeds in her, all pretty easily recognisable from physical characteristics. And they all kind of equally contributed to her appearance as well. Most people would have called her a ridgeback cross because the ridge (in her case a mohawk) is easily recognisable but her temperament was way more like that of a wolfhound/deerhound or staghound.

    I know/have known quite a few interesting crossbreeds and it is very possible to look more like one breed but act more like another.
    True I just couldn't see how people were so sure about a dogs temperament when they could only know what the dog looked like without some form of very advanced testing and without being positive about the breed make up of the dog.

    OT but have you ever tried to draw a dog based on written breed standards when we were little my mum use to do strange things like getting us to do that, I think it was because we were annoying little darlings and it kept all three of us quiet hehe ... my dogs always came out like Bull Terrierx great danex snake x balloon lizards
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    Another linked question (tongue in check) - Why do pitbull crosses that looks a bit like a pitbull are the only ones to bite. Why do the pitbull crosses that look more like the other dog not bite people?????

    I have a suspected lab*mastiff dog. He is like a big lab but has straight back legs like a mastiff - but in fact could be any big dog with straight back legs. Should I assume he is dangerous as he may be a mastiff cross or do I assume because he 'looks' like a lab he is ok?

    Going on looks to determine a dogs temperament is just so silly - but most of us know that.

    Just thought of another example - my sister has a dog that most people think is a border collie. Looks like a bad example of the breed - creamy red and white. But we know for a fact this dogs dad was a rough collie (same colour as lassie - saw it) and mum a light-looking german shepherd. (I suspect dingo*shepherd but she said pure german shepherd - also saw it). He is so not border collie in temperament and so dingo-like it is not funny. But if the BSL people decided border collies were dangerous he would be dead.

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