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    LOL I can imagine trying... I can't imagine succeeding!

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    not without a few more scratch marks and maybe a tooth mark or 2!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelanBatty View Post
    No, you haven't answered our questions. You've picked and chosen, ignored more than half and the ones you have answered you've been vague, indecisive and confusing through.
    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    More garbage. Show me which posts you found vague, indecisive or confusing and I'll try to enlighten you Einstein.
    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    I'm still waiting to find out which of my posts you found vague, indecisive or confusing.
    Quote Originally Posted by AngelanBatty View Post
    Go back and take your pick from your posts in the other thread. I don't have the time to wade through them to show you.
    Just as I thought?
    Welcome to my ignore list
    You cant even back up your baseless accusations
    You're not worth the waste of keystrokes.

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    If your Dangerous dog killed my child I don't think ten years would be enough.

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    If your Dangerous dog killed my child I don't think ten years would be enough.

    This above statement is right and I agree with it.
    But I am sure if I were your kid Nina I would go to court to get my last name changed and to find a family or guardian that at least had a few brain cells that still work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    If your Dangerous dog killed my child I don't think ten years would be enough.
    EVERY DOG is dangerous, that is why i fail to see why the government hasn't included every breed known to man in this "dangerous" dog list.

    Look if god forbid a dog kills my child (when i have one) i would, like said dog to be put down, i would like some form of an apology from the owners, payment for my child's funeral etc and for them never to own a pet ever again. If a dog is determined enough it will find one way to escape unless you have prison walls that run 20 feet deep and as much high, if i felt the owners had done everything they could to RESPONSIBLY contain there dog then i would not hold them accountable and therefore wouldn't want them to serve jail time for dog behavior. You cant possibly compare running somebody over with a dog attack, YOU are always in control of YOUR OWN ACTIONS, you can never ALWAYS BE IN CONTROL OF YOUR DOGS and that is fact, you know it and i know it, as much as everyone likes to think they do, they simply dont. Maybe 99.9% of the time but never 100%. A dog is an individual that thinks and feels just as much as we do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    Any Bull derivative, Roti, Shepard, Dobe etc, so I guess I mean breed.


    We're talking kill here aren't we? Maul and kill. Not bite. The legislation doesn't refer to bites. it refers to killing.


    Tell me honesttly, when you are out walking your toys and you see a Staffyy/Bull type dog coming down the street, what goes through your mind? Are ever you worried for the safety of your toys?
    Any dog has the capability of killing, even a toy breed. I have seen children get some rather nasty bites from small dogs, if the dog happened to nick an artery then it could quite easily lead to death. It doesn't have to be a vicious attack to kill.

    When I am out walking my toys I do cross the street to avoid the Staffy coming towards us, but I also do the same for Labs, Collies, Schnauzers or any other breed. If I am walking on my own, without my dogs I don't avoid them at all.

    When we go to the off-leash dog park I observe the other dogs inside before letting mine go in to play, if there is an aggressive or over-boisterous dog we just continue our on-lead walk and don't go in. Breed doesn't concern me, it's more observed behavior.

    Last time I was there there was an off-leash staffy and he and my poodle got along great. The poor little staffy was too slow to keep up with the poodle though so he never got the ball.

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    I take my dogs to a puppy school, because the dogs there are all toy dogs and they need to learn to be around big dogs as much as my big dogs need to learn how to behave with smaller dogs. Avoidance in dogs is, in my eyes a bad thing and makes them more likely to snap. Usually bigger dogs will not fight smaller dogs as there are no mental gains in it. Generally the smaller dog will start the fight because if he wins then he has gained a mental and physical advantage over the larger dog. I had to deal with a very, very, very aggressive staffy, we took him to the puppy class and he was fine with the toy dogs. My dogs were to be used as guinea pigs, as i know they are well socialised and know how to react when faced with this sort of dog, sure enough he had a go at Tia and Sheebah and they both had a little growling match with him, no fighting, just verbal warnings. Eventually we got the aggression to stop quite considerably in the hour i was given. I told the owner she must let him be around dogs that a his size, slightly bigger and much bigger than him, and to give him a strong correction when he acted up! Reading body language and understanding how a dog reads body language is very important for this sort of work/"rehab" The Staffy is now completely fine with bigger dogs now as he knows he is wrong to start fights after much hard work i might add! I know a lot of you here are experienced dog owners but if you guys have any questions on doggy body language and their vocal language just ask me! I'll be happy to help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    Just as I thought?
    Welcome to my ignore list
    You cant even back up your baseless accusations
    You're not worth the waste of keystrokes.




    I literally didn't have time. A little inconvenience called work that had to be completed.

    Hmm, I have baseless accusations... What about your baseless accusations towards the Pitbull? What about your blatent LIES?

    You have been given proof of everything we've been saying, in the form of university studies, studies from international canine bodies, veterinarians and many other sources yet you ignore them spouting "these breeds" that should be banned and bred out....

    Now that I'm not at work....

    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    30 years ago through the K.C.C. we tried to have the dogs banned from Australia and we couldn't get any political support at all. There was plenty of evidence even then of how much trouble and how dangerous these dogs are. The first I ever heard of a "pit bull" was an article in a magazine in the '80s about a pit bull killing a horse. I thought "They're never going to let those in" but how wrong I was. Most will never cause any issue but the potential for massive damage and death is there not only to people but to other animals. A google search for news on pitbuls turns up dozens of attacks.Personally I' glad that action has finally been taken against these land sharks. No one has ever been able to present me with a legit reason to own one. AFAIC the only good pitbul is a dead pitbul.
    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    You'ved proved nothing. Google Pitbulls under the News section and see what comes up, read the Wikipedia entry for Pitbullls. The evidence is overwhelming.
    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) published in 2000 a study on dog bite-related fatalities (DBRF) that covered the years 1979–1998. The study found reports of 238 people killed by dogs over the 24-year period, of which "pit bull terrier" or mixes thereof were reportedly responsible for killing 76, or about 32 percent, of the people killed by dogs in the attacks identified in the study. The breed with the next-highest number of attributed fatalities was the Rottweiler and mixes thereof, with 44 fatalities or about 18 percent of the study-identified fatalities. In aggregate, pit bulls, Rottweilers, and mixes thereof were involved in about 50% of the fatalities identified over the 20-year period covered by the study, and for 67% of the DBRF reported in the final two years studied (1997–1998), concluding

    "It is extremely unlikely that they [pit bull-type dogs and Rottweilers] accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities."[8]

    Breed Specific Legislation will fix the problem in Victoria and the rest of Australia will follow. You people are way out of step with the community and this legislation will bring you into line.
    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    Pretty much illustrates my point about working dogs in suburbia. Of course there will be exceptions to the rule. I was saying the majority of large dogs in the RSPCA holding pens for adoption are "Bull" type dogs or ones that have this in their genes (can easily be seen by their head shape.) I wasn't giving this as an example of aberrant behavior but how pervasive the breed type has become. Sheesh
    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    It's all very good for people to say 'people are the problem' but by the time that you are pursuing some-one for the damage their dog has done it's already too late. Pitbulls may be the nicest of dogs in general but they were bred to fight and for their power. They are like a hand grenade, safe in the right hands, lethal in the wrong. You have to legislate for the stupid people of this world.
    I remember before Pitbulls were here and dog attacks were rare and fatalities were unheard of. The tattooed morons (no offense meant to those with tatts) spent their time trying to breed a nastier Roti, Staffy, Bully, Malamute, Dobe etc. but were relatively unsuccessful and no-one died.
    Waiting until the horse has bolted is a poor way of handling this. No-one is trying to take your dogs from you but this legislation has already worked as can be witnessed by the number of PB and derivatives being handed in.
    PBs by their nature and build are dangerous or have the potential for enormous damage. Can you picture the dog with Ayen Chol by the throat shaking her. Can you imagine the fear and pain of her last moments?
    It can't be left up to society to manage them (as has been shown). Your poem whilst emotive is pure fantasy, Ayen Chol's life wasn't.

    Kelpies and Heelers are great dogs but having one in suburbia is asking for problems as they will be bored in most cases and cause trouble and have tendency to bite.

    I remember having a Shar-Pie for a short time (to re-home). He had been bought by a couple who lived in a flat because he was cute. While they were at work he trashed their flat. They thought there was something wrong with the dog. They should never have bought this dog (a very expensive lesson, dog cost and it shredded everything in their flat).
    When I was scouring the RSPCA and kennels searching for my escaped dog I noticed that 90% of the large dogs for adoption had PB or similar in their bloodlines.
    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    No it's not. It's not the place to live if you want to own a Pitbul or derivative. There is los o scAre mongering going on esspecially amongst the media.
    "A new set of visual identification guidelines spelling out exactly what is regarded as a pit bull or pit bull cross will stop owners claiming their dogs belong to different breeds.
    From Sept 30, dog inspectors will have the authority to destroy any unregistered dog fitting the pit bull description.
    Owners of pitbulls and pitbull crosses will have one month to ensure their dogs are listed on the dangerous dog register," he said.
    If these dogs are not registered by September 29, council officers will have the power to seize and destroy them.
    All Victorian pit bulls and pit bull crosses must be identified on the restricted breed register.
    Dogs on the register must be microchipped, desexed, kept in a secure yard and muzzled and on a lead when in public.
    Owners who fail to notify authorities could have their pets destroyed from September 30."
    Easy, if your dog is registered correctly you have no problem.

    I notice a lot of people are saying "blame the owners not the dog'. This is a fine sentiment but in a modern society rules have to be made when people prove that they can't be responsible. Hand Grenades are harmless but in the hands of an irresponsible owner.....therefore in this country they are illegal. As are fully automatic guns and surface to air missiles.

    Two personal experiences illustrate why this law is needed
    My father was menaced by a Pitbull looking dog whilst walking home from work in the Suburbs. What if that had been a child on a bike?
    I came home one day and the next door neighbors Pitbull Bull Mastif cross was in my back yard as he had broken down the fence. Not a big deal for me as he thought he was in trouble. when he realized I was only going to pat him his bum was hitting him in the head he was wagging so hard. His owners were responsible people but these dogs are so big and powerful that even responsible owners can't garantee the safety of others. One death is too many and I bet Ayen Chol 's parent's are in support. Incidentally I've only ever been bitten by a Fox Terrier, a Labrador, a Border Collie and a Pomerainian.
    You are full of nonsense and crap. You are the epitome of why these laws are made - for people too stupid to learn anything other than what the media spouts.

    I'd love to see your proof of everything you've said. I bet you can't provide any.

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    Watch, it will come back with saying you speak nonsense.
    This is its best responce to things when it has been proven wrong.
    Don't waste time this poster.
    No matter what you say it will say you are wrong. But it is always right.
    It thinks it is Dr. Phil now and I would say a genetic scientist as it has manage to make a dog with no teeth as it said it would never own a dog that would bite which would lead to the killihg of a human.
    So save your posts for a thread that is worth your input. And ones that have been done by posters with a half a brain.

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