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    I can speak form a very personal perspective. My Dad bred and trained GSD's for the Police, RAAF and some security........We had the dogs at home till 7 month old and from there they went to their Handlers and were worked with their handlers and lived with them.
    My Dad was still heavily involved with their training and we had three fully trained GSD's at home, but not bite work.
    Dogs trained in bite work are well trained, but they are still dogs and should be expected to bite. the dogs that did bite work, even though they lived with their handlers often in homes, were never off leash in uncontrolled environments. No matter how well dogs are trained. there is always the element of the unexpected. Even some people can do something unexpected which could affect the dogs reaction.
    All the dogs I knew never had a mishap, but it could have happened. Our own dogs at home were perfect and loving. I am always sure that if we were attacked at home they would have probably gone into protective mode, which means growling and barking. I think even my loving and happy newfs would do that if we were attacked, but they are not trained to bite. But to train a dog as a Bite/attack dog for private use can be quite dangerous. The mere presence of dogs should help an owner feel confident. An obedient dog by your side who will not be out of control. When my dogs bark, I can say "enough", "off" or "quit" and they stop and return to my side.
    I feel quite safe anywhere walking mine late at night. It is just their sheer size. Mind you if someone smiled the dogs would wag their bodies.
    Bite-work and Shutzhund takes a very skilled trainer. And is not learned or taught in a short period.
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    Pugger your right i'm with you and clubsprint on this, dogs trained for security should only be used at a professional level not as family pets with people who have done a crash course IMO.
    Luke your attitude scares me to say the least and reinforces the orignal topic of people being jailed for thier dogs killing someone, keep up the good work people like you will see more breeds banned.
    newfie im with you a dogs natural ability to protect its family should be enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter70 View Post
    Pugger your right i'm with you and clubsprint on this, dogs trained for security should only be used at a professional level not as family pets with people who have done a crash course IMO.
    Luke your attitude scares me to say the least and reinforces the orignal topic of people being jailed for thier dogs killing someone, keep up the good work people like you will see more breeds banned.
    newfie im with you a dogs natural ability to protect its family should be enough.
    how is continuos training a crash course?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDG View Post
    how is continuos training a crash course?
    Luke DG,
    You are trading views with a bloke who says he feels uneasy around a pit yet has a Neo, true half trained security/protection dogs/ owners are a huge worry.

    Well trained dogs and owners are far less a worry than those who think "big soft cuddly will never bite" such folk often have no idea of how to read their dog or that of others, and someone who knows so little as to be scared of a breed who was bred specifically never to bite man and yet owns a breed who was bred to not only pull down man but eat him, and has been known to do this quite recently in countries where life is held cheaply is not worth your effort, he simply for all his good intentions has not a clue.

    Any dog not understood or handled right is a threat, it has nothing to do with breed or someone working a dog of any breed in protection, a properly trained dog will protect with the same restraint and inteligence a good natural guard will and is NOT a danger.

    Have not read all posts, so am only replying to this bit.

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    Attacks are inevitable if people continue to dump them on chains and in backyards, encouraging them to show aggression with no socialisation or training of any kind.

    That's not a guard or protection dog though. That's an idiot who deserves to die and the poor dog who has to tolerate such a person as an owner.

    A true guard or protection dog relies on it's owners commands and leadership. Working with it's owner with a strong bond forged through training, familiarity and friendship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minibulls mum View Post
    Luke DG,
    You are trading views with a bloke who says he feels uneasy around a pit yet has a Neo, true half trained security/protection dogs/ owners are a huge worry.

    Well trained dogs and owners are far less a worry than those who think "big soft cuddly will never bite" such folk often have no idea of how to read their dog or that of others, and someone who knows so little as to be scared of a breed who was bred specifically never to bite man and yet owns a breed who was bred to not only pull down man but eat him, and has been known to do this quite recently in countries where life is held cheaply is not worth your effort, he simply for all his good intentions has not a clue.

    Any dog not understood or handled right is a threat, it has nothing to do with breed or someone working a dog of any breed in protection, a properly trained dog will protect with the same restraint and inteligence a good natural guard will and is NOT a danger.



    Have not read all posts, so am only replying to this bit.

    Well maybe you should have read what i wrote thus avoiding having me repeat it for you, I wouldnt own a pitbull, big deal, most i have met are owned by undesirables looking to extend their appendage (hence why the breed is copping flak, but keep burying your head in the sand i'm sure it will go away ), thats my choice what relevance does that have with training a dog to bite.
    I know the Neo history as i researched it before purchasing and I am not ignorant enough to assume "my big cuddly dog" wont bite hence, if you had read my posts i take all precautions including training (obedience only, i mean who really needs to train a 70 plus kg dog to bite ), a well locked yard, and of course avoiding confrontations or putting my dog in a position of doubt.
    Nothing worse than someone having a crack whislt being too lazy to read the whole thing.

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    clears a lot up! i have been involved with these dogs from pups to now, they turn 2 and a half next week. thats 2 years of constant training and tests. if i wanted a police/military standard dog i'd teach them to track i've taught the parents swiss shepherd to track so who knows haha

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    And this comes from my experience growing up with dogs trained for security. Any dog can bite. The big difference is that a properly trained guard dog gets taught that they can only do it on command and controlled. They are usually taught not to bite to injure, but to "hold" people until a human comes and releases them and takes over from there. The dogs I have known that were trained in this sort of stuff I actually felt safer with than with a dog of the same size who had never been taught this. I personally found the guard dogs more reliable in this regard.

    It's the total opposite of the dogs on chains on the property who are deliberately abused to make them more aggressive.

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    1. I agree there is nothing better than a well trained dog.

    2. EVERY dog can bite

    3. Security/police dogs are exceptionally well trained and serve a usefull purpose, however not they are not infalible. They should not be kept as family pets or by the paranoid to "defend aka BITE".

    4. You load the gun you suffer the consequence.
    Last edited by puggerup; 09-20-2011 at 09:08 PM. Reason: insulting other members

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter70;140093} *[I
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    1. I agree there is nothing better than a well trained dog.

    2. EVERY dog can bite

    3. Security/police dogs are exceptionally well trained and serve a usefull purpose, however not they are not infalible. They should not be kept as family pets or by the paranoid to "defend aka BITE".

    4. You load the gun you suffer the consequence.
    I don't understand why it is necessary to become abusive in these discussions.

    Have fun feeling smarter than everyone else. I'm out of here.
    Last edited by puggerup; 09-20-2011 at 09:14 PM.

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