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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog_Lover View Post
    If You have a dangerous dog and it gets out and kills someone then you deserve twenty years in Jail to be honest.

    In saying that these days to have you dog declared dangerous is easier then cutting your toe nails FFS!
    My problem with that is that it is so subjective. Your dog can be declared dangerous for 'menacing behaviour' in some places. What is menacing to one person isn't to another. I once had the misfortune of regularly meeting a woman who was obviously scared of dogs on my walks with my previous dog when she was still young - in an off-lead park. My dog didn't usually walk up to people and it wasn't an issue. Until one day, the woman decided that my dog was nice and she started talking to her and for some reason I will never quite get, my dog started "dancing" around her nipping at her pants! She was wagging her tail and it looked like play - but obviously totally inappropriate. She had never done anything like that before and never did again. And I was so scared that she'd be declared dangerous over it because the "victim" was so not a dog person and would have definitely interpreted that as aggressive behaviour even though I knew my dog had no intention of actually biting her. I apologised profusely and the woman did not report it fortunately.

    If she would have been a 'dog person' she would've known it wasn't aggressive behaviour. But she was not and if she would've reported it, it could have ruined my dog's life.

    Just saying, it all depends on who interprets the dog's body language and decides that it is 'menacing'. Pretty subjective...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    My problem with that is that it is so subjective. Your dog can be declared dangerous for 'menacing behaviour' in some places. What is menacing to one person isn't to another. I once had the misfortune of regularly meeting a woman who was obviously scared of dogs on my walks with my previous dog when she was still young - in an off-lead park. My dog didn't usually walk up to people and it wasn't an issue. Until one day, the woman decided that my dog was nice and she started talking to her and for some reason I will never quite get, my dog started "dancing" around her nipping at her pants! She was wagging her tail and it looked like play - but obviously totally inappropriate. She had never done anything like that before and never did again. And I was so scared that she'd be declared dangerous over it because the "victim" was so not a dog person and would have definitely interpreted that as aggressive behaviour even though I knew my dog had no intention of actually biting her. I apologised profusely and the woman did not report it fortunately.

    If she would have been a 'dog person' she would've known it wasn't aggressive behaviour. But she was not and if she would've reported it, it could have ruined my dog's life.

    Just saying, it all depends on who interprets the dog's body language and decides that it is 'menacing'. Pretty subjective...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog_Lover View Post
    In saying that these days to have you dog declared dangerous is easier then cutting your toe nails FFS!
    Just in case you missed it!
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    I think the same thing could very well apply to Murphy as he has that youthfull exuperance and this means he rushes in and it could very easily be call the same.
    It just takes that one person who doesn't lkie dogs to report you and then I think your world would be unside down.

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    This is why I added this -

    Just in case you missed it!
    Yeah I know, I was agreeing with you.

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    I am the biggest stress head when out walking my mastiff. Hes only 15 months and about 60 kgs... hes a huge ball of playfulness and as soon as i see a child etc hes straight back on the lead. im so afraid that he might get over excited or just run pass and bump them and the parents would report him and hed be taken away... even though he wasnt attacking etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crested_Love View Post
    That is just ridiculous.

    10 years jail for animal cruelty fine, but not for a dog attack, there are some circumstances that can't be avoided.
    So how long for the owner of a dog that kills someone should get?
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    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    So how long for the owner of a dog the kills someone should get?
    How about you give your own opinion rather than questioning that of others all the time...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    So how long for the owner of a dog the kills someone should get?
    If my son grows up and Kills someone I dont get sent to jail. Yes humas are a different story but it stays on the same lines.

    Sometimes regardless of what we do to some people some animals are just bad eggs. Regardless of the race, religion or breed

    If I do nothing wrong, do my best to raise a happy healthy dog and he jumps the fence and mauls someone to death.. Why should I go to jail?

    If i train a dog to fight, treat it badly, have it bite someone, then not contain it properly and it gets out and Kills someone yes, it deserves 10 years Jail if not more!!
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    If I run over someone with my car and kill them, even if it's an accident - I'm up for manslaughter.

    If I have a gun and don't secure it properly and it gets used to kill someone, I can be up for jail time too.

    There is a precedent for this. But it will be hard to enforce. I do believe that anyone who has a dog they know attacks dogs and people - ie it's been declared dangerous by council etc, and does not take every effort to secure that dog - they should be liable. I think they should be less liable if burglars insist they let the dog out and it kills one of the burglars.

    I don't think the owners of a previously very peaceful dog would be held liable if it got a brain tumor and "just snapped".

    However there are some very weird cases out there.

    Eg two rottweilers that were perfectly well behaved until their handler - a young girl, squatted for a pee and then started giggling when the dogs started licking her face. Who could predict that a giggle would set the dogs off. And why would it set them off?

    And another case - where the responsible adult was clearly irresponsible, stoned and drunk let a dog she knew was aggressive towards children into a house with a child. She got off. Personally I think she should have gone to jail.

    But the bloke that lets his two rottweilers run off lead around small children they don't know - and a child gets killed - I think he should be accountable. You don't let a dog off lead in a public place unless you have good recall and the dog is not aggressive towards anything.

    I treat small children and their parents like potentially aggressive dogs. I assume they're not dog friendly or savvy. I'd hate for children running squealing to "set my dog off". Fortunately for me some children have deliberately chased my dog then run away squealing and she was completely freaked out by them and came back to me. I put her on lead and told their parents off. If those children had done that to most normal dogs, they would have been chased and may be bitten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelanBatty View Post
    How about you give your own opinion rather than questioning that of others all the time...?
    What rubbish, I've done nothing but answer others questions since I joined this forum, Even your though you you have been unbelievably rude.
    I don't think anyone here is in any doubt about my opinion.
    IMHO ten years is not enough, it should be classed as manslaughter and attract at leasst a 15 year sentence. We're talking about human life. If Crested_Love reckons 10 Years is too much for a fatal dog attack then how much do they think would be appropriate then?

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