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    There is no one size fits all answer.
    My dogs are isolated from the world until they go to the vets.
    I don't see how it would be anyone's right to tell me levels of training they should have.

    If I lived in a town, did walks, went to dog parks then I feel it would be a whole different matter. I think I would be just as angry, upset re the unsocialised, aggressive dog encounters.

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    I also live on a farm...But I have always made sure that my dogs as puppies get to meet and greet as many people and other animals as possible.
    I have really got into training now that I am so interested in dog behaviour, but I always even when I was a kid, wanted happy and friendly dogs. Our work dogs had to be social too. Both ACD's and Kelpies. Because we used to put on horse Clinics and go to Horse Clinics/events and everyone of the doggie variety used to come along for all those weekends. Nowadays they have the rulings of "no dogs allowed"...hence we hardly go. I cannot afford to Kennel my dogs for every horse event I go to. Same again, there were people who had aggressive nuisance dogs, so everyone had to leave their dogs home.
    We are just going to be inundated with millions of laws, because common sense and good manners (people or dogs) has gone out of the window
    Pets are forever

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelanBatty View Post
    Sorry Rid, but bull dust. This is EXACTLY what is required. Basic obedience is no more taxing than Puppy School. You can get through both, prove that you can control your dog and your dog is friendly & that is all you need.

    It has to come down to one law. Training at a school is NOT doing endless obedience routines, unless you are training for competition standard. Even then it is fun. It is safe, effective socialisation & it ensures that you can read other dogs body language as well - you learn it just by being there and observing what is going on.

    If you can't be bothered training your dog you shouldn't have one. Same as if you can't be bothered walking your dog or giving it the basic level of care all dogs require.
    This is your stance on this and I believe you that you feel it is right.
    But I will not let anyone tell me to have my dog trained.
    Which by the way he is and we are attending Obedience training tomorrow night.
    So I am one of those people that do train their dogs and will always do so.
    But this doesn't give me the rights to tell my neighbour to get him and his dog to some sort of obedience training.
    I'm a big boy but I ain't getting a smack in the mouth for saying such rot.
    And I will say straight out I have never been able to read another dogs body english at all.And I have been doing training in controlled area's with instructors. I don't go there to see what this or that dog is doing. I really don't care what they are doing. I worry about me and my dog and not sit there reading what this dogs body is trying to tell me.
    So I am once again sorry but I have to agree to disagree on this.
    And what this is telling me is that one law wont fix all.

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    Agree with you about it going out the window.
    I think there should be new laws in place too.

    I was wondering that..ok..people living isolated or rurally may be seen by we here as possible exceptions but what other exceptions would be ok?

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    IMO having government legislation that requires you to have control of your dog (Minimum sit, stay & come) is a good legislation. Every dog should have these. Every dog should be socialised. How many people do you see & hear about daily who take their dogs to a dog park only to leave early or have their dogs savaged by other dogs because the owners have zero control?

    You don't chuck a fit or get pissy because the government tells you you must be licensed & pay car registration before you drive any vehicle do you?

    How about requiring a Responsible Service of Alcohol certificate to work around alcohol, or an Responsible Service of Gambling around gaming venues? What about blue cards to work around kids?

    There is no difference & it will help to make everyone safer, including your grandchildren.

    You say your neighbour has no control of their dog - if he/she were legally required to train & provide proof (even just a letter from the vets if you can't get to training, to say that you have adequate control over your dog) then you wouldn't have the issues you're talking about.

    You're already going to training & doing the right thing and as you said yourself you will continue to do so, so what difference does legislation demanding you do actually make? If it is a requirement they may bring in rebates for the cost of the training schools or give out grants to those qualified to start a dog training school around you....

    BSL doesn't work. Requiring people to do the right thing or not have dogs will work. The government needs to get tough about it.

    Working dogs would have to be an exception. But I do think that a minimum amount of control (come when called) should be required for those too.

    Not too many people will get as far into training as we do here, we even have varying levels within this small community. Surely having a minimum for the control of pet dogs would be beneficial in any environment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rid**** View Post
    And I will say straight out I have never been able to read another dogs body english at all.And I have been doing training in controlled area's with instructors. I don't go there to see what this or that dog is doing. I really don't care what they are doing. I worry about me and my dog and not sit there reading what this dogs body is trying to tell me.
    You should ALWAYS be paying attention to what's going on around you. What if someone else's dog breaks free and barrels over to yours? Least if you're paying attention you can either stop their dog or get yours to safety. I'm not saying to ignore your dog & what you need to be doing to pay attention to others, that's just stupid. Simply that by being aware of your surroundings you'll find benefit for both you & your dog.

    Even just watching out of your peripheral vision can teach you more than you're realising.

    You'd be able to tell the difference between a dog who is happy to see you & one who is cranky wouldn't you?

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    I agree with you on this matter fully.
    But what I am saying is we have no rights to tell someone else to train their dogs.
    Yes it would make walking our dogs about the place a hell of a lot safer for us and the dog.
    But you force people to do it and all you will get back is them shoving you out of the way.
    This legistration if it comes in then well and good but I will not be the one to tell someone to get off the large rear ends and train thier dogs.

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    Good posts, Ange.

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    Simple solution: They don't train their dogs & be responsible pet owners they lose them. I would happily head out to tell people that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelanBatty View Post
    You should ALWAYS be paying attention to what's going on around you. What if someone else's dog breaks free and barrels over to yours? Least if you're paying attention you can either stop their dog or get yours to safety. I'm not saying to ignore your dog & what you need to be doing to pay attention to others, that's just stupid. Simply that by being aware of your surroundings you'll find benefit for both you & your dog.

    Even just watching out of your peripheral vision can teach you more than you're realising.

    You'd be able to tell the difference between a dog who is happy to see you & one who is cranky wouldn't you?
    I will mention 2 times that when we had Lacey our last Heeler.
    We were lining up in our classes. Then from nowhere this part Heeler jumped on her. It was a silent attack. Not even the owner had the time to call out that it was about to happen. We were going one way while they were going in the opposite direction. No way could I see this.
    Next time was with the same dog.
    Classes had finished and I was making my way over to where my son was having a kick with the footy. And from behind again lacey was set upon by yet another Heeler.
    No way did I even see this dog and there was no way that I could have stopped it.
    In a full controlled area I will let my dog off but I have to know what the other dogs are like. Then and only then would I let my dog off the lead.
    But as for reading them I couldn't tell you a thing about it.

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