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    That is why I cannot phathom why people get so hung up on socialisation before vaccination are complete. If everyone was stricter and more informed about early socialisation . And encouraged early socialisation to lots of kids/people of all ages and creeds. There would not be so many aggressive dogs. Dogs that have mostly lived by themselves or with other aggressive dogs for all of their lives. Obedience Training and Socialisation should be encouraged and rewarded (cheaper registration or such) Vets need to get into the picture too and stop telling owners to wait till 14-16 weeks before getting their puppies out there. I am also a big dog person and I want to protect my dogs from being aggressive, so that they will not be PTS or have to be muzzled.
    All back to people having dogs needing to train and socialize their dogs. People/owners being held responsible for their dogs.
    I am happy with the fact that people can walk into my yard and the dogs will wag their tails and do happy greetings to all. they may bark initially, but are friendly in their greeting. the same dogs do know if there is "bad intent". A very aggressive person turned up to abuse someone who he thought lived with us. But our dogs only barked, no chase or aggression. You have to work at getting friendly dogs. And if you do not have them (sometimes it is impossible) you have to be responsible to keep them contained and everyone else safe. It is a shame everything has to made into law, before people will take note.........We are so over-lawed.
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    Such a sensible post. It made a hell of a lot of sense to me.
    I would love to see if you put in the time to train your dog so it is a proper community member, I think you should be rewarded for doing so.
    We do it with every dog we have owned in the last 25 years or so.
    And so what if an hour a week in training going to take away from you.

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    If you follow all the laws and have your dogs registered you should have no fear of having your dogs taken no matter what breed they are deemed. I have had a long ongoing battle with a distant (4 houses away) neighbors over my dogs. I live on a corner and they've tried everything to prove my dogs are vicious and a danger (they even videotaped them going berserk (of course) under the gate) I have tried everything with these people (my wife tried introducing my small dog to them and they all screamed and jumped on each other, never seen anything like it.)
    The council backed me (actually never heard from them but other neighbors did and backed me) and after years they've given up, they cross to the other side of the road.
    Write to your local and federal members of parliament and get them onside. Present them with a finished idea or policy. Most really don't want to know or don't care so the less they have to do to make Joe Public happy the better.

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    The only way the govt will make any difference to dog attack numbers is to control owners.

    It should be compulsory to have a license to own a dog - need to complete a course in responsible dog ownership.

    It should be compulsory for dogs to pass dog training school - or pass a test to show you have satisfactorily trained your dog. This should be part of the registration process, you can't register your dog without a certificate of training - maybe a new certificate required every 2 or 3 years to prove you haven't let your dog go wild. There could also be a temperament test included in this process.

    It should also be illegal to sell a dog unless you're a registered breeder - all pups should be desexed compulsorily. Also breeders should be encouraged to breed for temperament rather than looks.

    They should scrap all current BSL and move to something like the above. Make people follow the law with the threat of seizing and destroying any unregistered dog. And the above should apply to all breeds.

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    There are a few things that I don't agree with you on here and these are the desexing of your dog. Why should anyone tell you to have your dog done.
    The breeder section of this is way wrong as there are people who don't want to have a pure bred dogs. So this would spell the end of the Mutt and these dogs have some of the best personalities. So to stop that is just wrong.
    The Temperment testing is not worth it as people may only want their dogs in their house. So as long as it is happy at home then it really defets that purpose.
    People may want a dog to protect the house and a get on with all dog may not fit in what they want.
    I want a dog like that and if someone breaks in and my dog bites them, I would think stiff. The dog is doing what it was bought for.

    I think you have got a good start just needs to be looked at a little more.

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    Can't say I like those ideas, yep, maybe in a perfect world it might work. But what about people like me that are not into training and obedience?

    My dogs are just companion dogs, just for their company and we have no dramas at home or outside.



    How would you define what level of skill is acceptable?

    Who would be willing to enforce it?

    Who would be willing to say yes or no based on a single test?

    How does someone become proficient at these skills without having a dog to learn from?

    No two dogs, pups or people are alike, each unique situation will need months of scrutiny to make a certain judgement.


    Having to pass dog handling/obedience tests may result in many potentially good owners deciding it's not worth the hassle or screening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rid**** View Post
    I think you have got a good start just needs to be looked at a little more.
    I'll second that Rid..

    Not having a go at you MMJ.

    I like pure, but it's the pound bitza's that I end up bringing home and enjoy seeing happy again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chipps View Post
    Can't say I like those ideas, yep, maybe in a perfect world it might work. But what about people like me that are not into training and obedience?

    My dogs are just companion dogs, just for their company and we have no dramas at home or outside.



    How would you define what level of skill is acceptable?

    Who would be willing to enforce it?

    Who would be willing to say yes or no based on a single test?

    How does someone become proficient at these skills without having a dog to learn from?

    No two dogs, pups or people are alike, each unique situation will need months of scrutiny to make a certain judgement.


    Having to pass dog handling/obedience tests may result in many potentially good owners deciding it's not worth the hassle or screening.
    I think all owners should be able to control their dogs off lead. Come, sit, drop, stay would be sufficient - i'm not suggesting stupidly high level of training, just the basics. Its amazing the number of dogs i see at the beach each day who's owners simply have no control - add in a big breed and it becomes dangerous.

    It would be up to the council to enforce - any dog failing the test would be required go attend training classes until it can pass and be registered. If you can't train your dog in the basic commands you really do need the assistance of a professional - i think a lot of untrained dogs likely don't know their position within the family(dog attack formula).

    How does one get skills in training? Even though i had trained dogs before and had a basic knowledge, i got a couple of books out of the library and read them to further my knowledge. Surely if you're not willing to put in the time to read a book and then spend the 15 - 20 mins a day training, you really shouldn't have a dog in the first place?

    I like the pure breed only idea for getting dogs of known temperament - but its just an idea and as you say, its a starting place - really needs experts in the field to come up with a final policy.

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    Sorry to add in once more but some owners of dog don't require their dog to do anything but come when called.
    Why should they have to go through a full training when they don't require it just for their lap dog.
    My neighbour is one who has no control over his dog but he calls it and it is there.
    I have had dogs for a while and I agree that they should be trained but what I want in my dog isn't what he wants.
    So is there an inbetween area ? I don't think so. What I do think is that each dog and owner has to have what they want out of their dogs or dog.
    It will be way too high to place time and effort into every dog owner to find a workable area.
    And as I have said it has the making's of something to work with but to what degree is going to be the million dollar question.
    So please think of those who don't require what maybe you and me want out of our dogs but they don't.

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    Unfortunately in states with BSL owners of restricted breeds are for the most part ostracised from obedience training by the majority of training companies..

    The insurance liability they have to fork out is extraordinary even though dogs are with muzzle and on leash at all times.
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